Rory, Can someone post links to court cases where Huawei was convicted of stealing the technology? Was their a court case/lawsuit which was won? I would like to read up on this. I see some links in a wikipedia article about stolen code and what not.
Does this mean you don’t use Samsung for the same reasons because of their code disputes with Apple? Justin Wilson [email protected] --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > > "One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying > was never historically done to enable an economic advantage" > > Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time... > > Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps > level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club). > > "These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial > espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an > economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists." > http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html > <http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html> > https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ > > <https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/> > (There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few). > > On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to create > their company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do business > with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality. > > > > As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their > strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we > can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and what the > Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the > infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that > strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts. > Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a > larger strategy. To deny that is simply ignorance. > > > > One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying > was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for > security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of > patents and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is doing that > any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask > Catepillar. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... > > > > The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has a > team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems > are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. > > > > > > Stay fearful my friend. > > > > :) > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal > > > > Sent from Mobile Device > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Rory Conaway > > Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I > think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either > hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is based on > stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not > they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only Patrick Leary can > answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Gotta love these conversations... > > > > What was the original topic ? > > > > Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in > the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves in > the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the > Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put > together..... > > > > To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese > Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and > the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make > some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in > the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me... > > > > I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP > futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! > > > > > > :) > > > > Best of Luck Everyone ! > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. > > On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. > > > > From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Define module? > > On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco > had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for > the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance > contract just so you can upgrade the SW. > > > > What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are > probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same > factory. > > > > > > From: Bruce Robertson <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I *never* *ever* did that........................... > > On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and > registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more > expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? > > > > From: Eric Kuhnke <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of > telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling > telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: > > > > 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to > buy it from Dubai. > > 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear > into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with > local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run > Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic > through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The > US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of > America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach > Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, > Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world is good. > > http://www.radiofarda.com/ <http://www.radiofarda.com/> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet > snooping and repression, right? > > On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0> > > > Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and > not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a little > humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is > clearly Huawei. > > > > > > From: Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by > any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do > those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in > line with things the government as a whole says or does? > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit > put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was > later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used > in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in > your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have > an incredible amount of data and control. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid > shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was > caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in > equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own > countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done > shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that > every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while > simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and its > employees. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the > lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person > could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. > > On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. Huawei > is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > Rory <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you can > most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly > parts of doing LTE. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie > <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. > First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of > money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a > little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific > "fellow" that they're talking about. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
