Sort of. It’s still not that cut and dry though. This espionage is till defense related as opposed to the broad spectrum of simple economic theft. At this point though, until we can close the security loopholes of $500B dollars of intellectual theft a year by the Chinese, we don’t have a lot of options. Kind of like, they started it and now we have no choice.
Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview "One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage" Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time... Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club). "These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists." http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ (There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few). On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to create their company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do business with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality. As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and what the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts. Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger strategy. To deny that is simply ignorance. One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. Stay fearful my friend. :) Regards Faisal Sent from Mobile Device -------- Original message -------- From: Rory Conaway Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only Patrick Leary can answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Gotta love these conversations... What was the original topic ? Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put together..... To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me... I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! :) Best of Luck Everyone ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. From: Josh Reynolds<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Define module? On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW. What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory. From: Bruce Robertson<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview I *never* *ever* did that........................... On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? From: Eric Kuhnke<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to buy it from Dubai. 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world is good. http://www.radiofarda.com/ On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet snooping and repression, right? On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is clearly Huawei. From: Mike Hammett<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or does?<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Rory<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts of doing LTE.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote:<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that they're talking about.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119!<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
