Maybe because the real ones are also made in China ? :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:46:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government > sources > that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards... Even rumors that the whole CIsco > 2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that time) had been > entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer. > I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco > linecard > or module... Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a WS-X6704 10GbE > card. > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: >> Agreed. I was just giving examples of “modules”. >> Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though. >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR >> considering >> how old the platform is. >> On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> Define module? >>> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco >>>> had a >>>> problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the >>>> used >>>> gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract >>>> just >>>> so you can upgrade the SW. >>>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are >>>> probably >>>> counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory. >>>> From: Bruce Robertson >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>> I *never* *ever* did that........................... >>>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and >>>>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more >>>>> expensive >>>>> routers we deployed.... hmmm???? >>>>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of >>>>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling >>>>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: >>>>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way >>>>> to buy >>>>> it from Dubai. >>>>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear >>>>> into >>>>> Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with >>>>> local >>>>> Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run >>>>> Tor, how >>>>> to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through >>>>> their >>>>> ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US >>>>> government has >>>>> a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG >>>>> (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. There >>>>> are a >>>>> shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More >>>>> communication with the outside world is good. >>>>> http://www.radiofarda.com/ >>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>>>> internet >>>>>> snooping and repression, right? >>>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran >>>>>>> and not >>>>>>> use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a little >>>>>>> humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is >>>>>>> clearly Huawei. >>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>>>> indisputable. >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>>>> has by any >>>>>>> chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in >>>>>>> line with >>>>>>> things the government as a whole says or does? >>>>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>>>> bullshit put >>>>>>> for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which >>>>>>> was later >>>>>>> RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>>>> "bad" in >>>>>>> your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. >>>>>>> They have >>>>>>> an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid >>>>>>> shipment >>>>>>> and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was >>>>>>> caught >>>>>>> weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in >>>>>>> equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting >>>>>>> our own >>>>>>> countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? >>>>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>>>>>> insinuating that >>>>>>> every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while >>>>>>> simultaneously >>>>>>> holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees. >>>>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This >>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>> could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway < [email protected] > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >>>>>>>>> Huawei is >>>>>>>>> both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>>>> To: af >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>>>> you can most >>>>>>>>> likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more >>>>>>>>> costly parts >>>>>>>>> of doing LTE. >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>>>> though. First of >>>>>>>>> all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of money, >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a little >>>>>>>>> wary of the >>>>>>>>> Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> they're talking about. >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119!
