Apples and oranges. Aiming 5 GHz is like aiming 5 GHz. 1 mile or 40.
Aiming 11 GHz is like aiming 11 GHz. 5 miles or 15. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 4, 2016 10:51 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Try aiming a 500 meter 60 GHz link and then aim a 3km 80 GHz link.... > > It most certainly does affect ease of aiming for new hires/new technicians > when dealing with things way less than 1 degree wide in the sweet spot of > best RSL. > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming... >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It makes fine tuning longer links easier. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why would the distance matter? >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an >>>>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> -Hal >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a >>>>>>> better mount? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a >>>>>>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano >>>>>>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on >>>>>>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -c >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>>>>>> years! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I often tell my wife.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 >>>>>>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>>>>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... >>>>>>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the >>>>>>>> death stare. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes >>>>>>>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect >>>>>>>>> (buy) >>>>>>>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE >>>>>>>>> circuits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>>>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very >>>>>>>>> reliable at high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little >>>>>>>>> better assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. >>>>>>>>> However iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator >>>>>>>>> to be pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> then it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> keep up especially if you try random data. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use >>>>>>>>> Smartbits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> -Hal >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the >>>>>>>>>> promises made. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth >>>>>>>>>> does not meet marketing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf >>>>>>>>>> testing. Seeing is believing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken >>>>>>>>>> Hohhof >>>>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very >>>>>>>>>> mild! Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls >>>>>>>>>> Presidential >>>>>>>>>> Collection? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my >>>>>>>>>> email.... I am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If >>>>>>>>>> you were >>>>>>>>>> to look at my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar >>>>>>>>>> feelings to others in regards to how they ask the question... >>>>>>>>>> irrespective >>>>>>>>>> of who they are asking about. I also apologized for this being a >>>>>>>>>> personality defect in myself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk >>>>>>>>>> in the forums. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many >>>>>>>>>> great attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> change for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the >>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the >>>>>>>>>> MFG and >>>>>>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to >>>>>>>>>> the open >>>>>>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't >>>>>>>>>> work there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and >>>>>>>>>> pasted >>>>>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests >>>>>>>>>> on a newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for >>>>>>>>>> the cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>>>>> frequencies >>>>>>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>>>>>> receive >>>>>>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. >>>>>>>>>> In the >>>>>>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating >>>>>>>>>> full-duplex communication over a half-duplex communication link. The >>>>>>>>>> transmitter and receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and >>>>>>>>>> receive traffic is switched in time. The primary advantages of this >>>>>>>>>> approach as it applies to microwave communication are: >>>>>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have >>>>>>>>>> give this away ! ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> market place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the >>>>>>>>>> beta >>>>>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to >>>>>>>>>> be.. >>>>>>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if the >>>>>>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some >>>>>>>>>> intentional >>>>>>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare >>>>>>>>>> them with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it >>>>>>>>>> say specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a >>>>>>>>>> test ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest >>>>>>>>>> firmware is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying >>>>>>>>>> about the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, >>>>>>>>>> blue, or >>>>>>>>>> purple laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> !... or someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in >>>>>>>>>> short >>>>>>>>>> supply as it is .... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? >>>>>>>>>> Preferably with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) >>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> Linux plugged into each end. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
