But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It makes fine tuning longer links easier. > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> Why would the distance matter? >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an >>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Hal >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >>>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a >>>>> better mount? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a >>>>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano >>>>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on >>>>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>>>> >>>>> -c >>>>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>>>> years! >>>>> >>>>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>>> I often tell my wife.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 >>>>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>>> Ha >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... >>>>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the >>>>>> death stare. >>>>>> >>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes >>>>>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect >>>>>>> (buy) >>>>>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable >>>>>>> at high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better >>>>>>> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. However >>>>>>> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to >>>>>>> be pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't >>>>>>> keep up >>>>>>> especially if you try random data. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use >>>>>>> Smartbits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> -Hal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the >>>>>>>> promises made. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth >>>>>>>> does not meet marketing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf >>>>>>>> testing. Seeing is believing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof >>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild! >>>>>>>> Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential >>>>>>>> Collection? >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email.... >>>>>>>> I am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to >>>>>>>> look at >>>>>>>> my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to >>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>> in regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are >>>>>>>> asking about. I also apologized for this being a personality defect in >>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk >>>>>>>> in the forums. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many great >>>>>>>> attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice to >>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>> for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default >>>>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one on >>>>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the MFG >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to the >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't >>>>>>>> work there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and >>>>>>>> pasted >>>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on >>>>>>>> a newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the >>>>>>>> cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>>> frequencies >>>>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>>>> receive >>>>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex >>>>>>>> communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive traffic >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach as it >>>>>>>> applies to >>>>>>>> microwave communication are: >>>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have give >>>>>>>> this away ! ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep >>>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> market place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the beta >>>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to >>>>>>>> be.. >>>>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if the >>>>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some intentional >>>>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare them >>>>>>>> with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it >>>>>>>> say specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a test >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest firmware >>>>>>>> is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying about >>>>>>>> the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, blue, or >>>>>>>> purple >>>>>>>> laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them back !... >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in short >>>>>>>> supply as >>>>>>>> it is .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? >>>>>>>> Preferably with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) running >>>>>>>> Linux plugged into each end. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
