Why would the distance matter?
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <[email protected]> wrote: > The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an > optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. > > Thanks, > -Hal > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a >>> better mount? >>> >>> >> >>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>> >> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>> >> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple >>> of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge >>> mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a >>> breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>> >>> >> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>> >>> -c >>> >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>> years! >>> >>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>> >>> I often tell my wife.... >>> >>> >>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months, >>> there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>> >>> >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>> >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>> >>> Ha >>> >>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>> >>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... >>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the >>>> death stare. >>>> >>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes looking >>>>> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more >>>>> tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>> >>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>> >>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable at >>>>> high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming >>>>> you have enough computer to push the required speeds. However iperf3 >>>>> cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>> >>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be >>>>> pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then >>>>> it >>>>> is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up >>>>> especially if you try random data. >>>>> >>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use Smartbits. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> -Hal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises >>>>>> made. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth >>>>>> does not meet marketing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. >>>>>> Seeing is believing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof >>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>> *An:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild! >>>>>> Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential >>>>>> Collection? >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email.... I >>>>>> am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at >>>>>> my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to >>>>>> others >>>>>> in regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are >>>>>> asking about. I also apologized for this being a personality defect in >>>>>> myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in >>>>>> the forums. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, from >>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many great >>>>>> attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice to change >>>>>> for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default >>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one on >>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the MFG and >>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to the >>>>>> open >>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't work >>>>>> there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and pasted >>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>> >>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on a >>>>>> newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the >>>>>> cloak and dagger ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------- >>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio frequencies >>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>> receive >>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In the >>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex >>>>>> communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter and >>>>>> receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive traffic is >>>>>> switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach as it applies >>>>>> to >>>>>> microwave communication are: >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have give >>>>>> this away ! ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep >>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in the >>>>>> market place. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the beta >>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to be.. >>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if the >>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some intentional >>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare them >>>>>> with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it say >>>>>> specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a test ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with these >>>>>> radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest firmware is >>>>>> showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying about >>>>>> the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, blue, or >>>>>> purple >>>>>> laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them back !... or >>>>>> someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in short supply >>>>>> as >>>>>> it is .... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? Preferably >>>>>> with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) running Linux >>>>>> plugged >>>>>> into each end. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
