BTW, I am not talking Metro, I am talking about across state lines.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote: > Can you elaborate on why remote peering is necessary, isn't that just > making the IX a transit provider and would be somewhat contradictory of an > IX "keeping it local"? Just want to know what I am missing here? I think > everyone will agree that if we go out of our way connect to an IX, it needs > to be worth it. > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, the current Rise cab. >> >> We began the process for a new cabinet back in October, but didn't get a >> cabinet provisioned until the end of May. We're still migrating things over. >> >> Each market has an independent IX fabric. There will just be remote >> peering and cloud exchange services available at each of them. The remote >> peering will connect to many IXes, not just our own and largely focused on >> markets the big guys of the remote peering sector have left behind. >> >> We don't build a market until we know we won't lose money doing it. Once >> DRT completes the same of the STL buildings, we'll be able to get that >> going again. Months of negotiation with DRT only to have them drop talks as >> a sale was imminent... 7 months ago. Joining us in STL when it's ready >> will be worth while. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:28:47 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >> >> You mean the Rise cabinet(My old cab? ) is full, I thought you guys >> already moved? You know our offer is still open to Midwest-IX. Just gotta >> work with us Brotha... How come you guys are expanding Midwest to several >> Cities? I thought STL was going to have its own IX? Do you have enough >> popular peers to get traction in the other cities? >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do >>> WDM instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However, >>> you could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up, >>> no room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No >>> space was available. None. >>> >>> The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let >>> you run your own? That doesn't seem likely. >>> >>> >>> Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message. >>> Yes, I see the common point here... the room. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> Mike you are thinking small scale. On a large scale look, you would do >>> DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your >>> own fiber between the two facilities. >>> >>> Mike are you frustrated with all of us... >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into >>>> Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or >>>> CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything >>>> other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're >>>> beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually >>>> aren't. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without >>>> repeating myself, so I'll resort to that. >>>> >>>> It was joked that 1G ports are expensive. >>>> I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix >>>> $350/month cross connect. >>>> Someone said don't use Equinix. >>>> I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go >>>> to and that's Equinix. >>>> Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space >>>> (carrier hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't >>>> own 350 E. Cermak. >>>> Enter the $800/month riser fee. >>>> Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff, >>>> again, from people that should all know better. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 7:56:05 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> >>>> Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers >>>> and major IX connectivity. So where is the problem? >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> North Central Tower >>>> [email protected] >>>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you want to have Equinix IX connectivity as well as connectivity to >>>>> the variety of carriers present, that means you have to be in Equinix's >>>>> CH1, CH2 or CH4. Those datacenters are routinely out of power, so you >>>>> can't >>>>> just buy a cabinet whenever you feel like it. They're only available when >>>>> someone else has canceled theirs. Given the riser charge, you can't just >>>>> take a cabinet in TelX, Steadfast, CME or any of the others due to the >>>>> $800 >>>>> riser fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:19:53 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>> >>>>> Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they >>>>> give you a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT >>>>> for lower x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long >>>>> term it makes sense. That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix. We >>>>> will be in dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>> The Fusion Network >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Two different things and at one point three different companies. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Equinix rep said to get lower per XC price, you'd need 500 XCs. I >>>>>> know that isn't true because we got lower pricing. >>>>>> >>>>>> TelX manages the MMR and the riser, while DRT owns the building. Yes, >>>>>> I know DRT bought TelX. That riser charge was $800. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:35:42 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have never paid riser fees in any location ever FYI, although 111 8th >>>>>> in NYC you are paying for it per say between floors but it’s not broken >>>>>> out >>>>>> (at least for me)… and it’s definitely a lot less than 500 XC’s – it’s >>>>>> related to MRC derived from power/space/XC’s combined with negotiation >>>>>> skills and the market too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Sent:* June 19, 2016 11:55 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. One rep told us we'd need to be around 500 XCs to get a lower >>>>>> rate (which I know isn't true). Even our TelX rep said that the >>>>>> difference >>>>>> in space pricing wasn't enough to make up for the riser fee. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:50:46 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> >>>>>> Equinix will negotiate if you have enough business with them and also >>>>>> having an alternate option to go to (Telx/DR runs the building MMR @ 350 >>>>>> Cermak). This DC/Bldg Mgmt war will go on forever. You do what fits >>>>>> right for the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence why we are doing what we are doing, it helps everyone save in >>>>>> the long run. Can't stress this enough......... Every major POP we go >>>>>> into we automatically take a port or two to the local exchange and if has >>>>>> the major peers (google,netflix, etc..) So all you IXPs we want major >>>>>> peers!! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course. Leaving Equinix is even worse as you have a $350/month >>>>>> cross connect and then an $800/month riser fee. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I specified Equinix at 350 E. Cermak. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:47:03 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> >>>>>> You know that Equinix doesn't own or run 350 E. Cermak, right? >>>>>> They're just one tenant. It's owned by Digital Realty Trust. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In some markets, that's the only viable place to go. Chicago, for >>>>>> instance. Equinix at 350 E. Cermak has a commanding lead over anywhere >>>>>> else >>>>>> for connectivity. With AMS-IX, Megaport and United-IX here now, we'll >>>>>> likely see some of that shift around a bit, but it'll take time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>>>> >>>>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <*[email protected]*> >>>>>> *To: **[email protected]* >>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 11:02:51 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Smart people don't start leases in Equinix facilities unless they >>>>>> have absolutely, positively no other option. >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> >>>>>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> In an Equinix facility, 1G ports are very expensive... at $350/month >>>>>> per cross connect. :-) <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>>>> >>>>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <*[email protected]*> >>>>>> *To: **[email protected]* >>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 10:10:58 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Once upon a time, that was probably said about 10G links. Before >>>>>> then, about 1G links. Those 1G ports are expensive you know. >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Paul Stewart <*[email protected]*> >>>>>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Had a demo of that platform a month or so ago .. wasn’t public >>>>>> obviously - pretty impressive but a lot jammed into a “small package” … >>>>>> tough sell for folks who need that kind of density, personal opinion is >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep things more “spread out” on 100G links reducing areas of risk, but I >>>>>> digress as that’s more design/resiliency related :) >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures. >>>>>> >>>>>> *https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630* >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>>>> >>>>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
