Mike you are thinking small scale. On a large scale look, you would do DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your own fiber between the two facilities.
Mike are you frustrated with all of us... On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into > Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or > CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything > other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're > beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually > aren't. > > > > > > I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without repeating > myself, so I'll resort to that. > > It was joked that 1G ports are expensive. > I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix > $350/month cross connect. > Someone said don't use Equinix. > I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go to > and that's Equinix. > Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space (carrier > hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't own 350 > E. Cermak. > Enter the $800/month riser fee. > Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff, > again, from people that should all know better. > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 7:56:05 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? > > Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers and > major IX connectivity. So where is the problem? > > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > [email protected] > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you want to have Equinix IX connectivity as well as connectivity to >> the variety of carriers present, that means you have to be in Equinix's >> CH1, CH2 or CH4. Those datacenters are routinely out of power, so you can't >> just buy a cabinet whenever you feel like it. They're only available when >> someone else has canceled theirs. Given the riser charge, you can't just >> take a cabinet in TelX, Steadfast, CME or any of the others due to the $800 >> riser fee. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:19:53 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >> >> Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they give >> you a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT for >> lower x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long term >> it makes sense. That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix. We will be >> in dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason. >> >> Erich Kaiser >> The Fusion Network >> [email protected] >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Two different things and at one point three different companies. >>> >>> The Equinix rep said to get lower per XC price, you'd need 500 XCs. I >>> know that isn't true because we got lower pricing. >>> >>> TelX manages the MMR and the riser, while DRT owns the building. Yes, I >>> know DRT bought TelX. That riser charge was $800. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:35:42 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> Have never paid riser fees in any location ever FYI, although 111 8th >>> in NYC you are paying for it per say between floors but it’s not broken out >>> (at least for me)… and it’s definitely a lot less than 500 XC’s – it’s >>> related to MRC derived from power/space/XC’s combined with negotiation >>> skills and the market too. >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* June 19, 2016 11:55 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> >>> >>> Right. One rep told us we'd need to be around 500 XCs to get a lower >>> rate (which I know isn't true). Even our TelX rep said that the difference >>> in space pricing wasn't enough to make up for the riser fee. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:50:46 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> Equinix will negotiate if you have enough business with them and also >>> having an alternate option to go to (Telx/DR runs the building MMR @ 350 >>> Cermak). This DC/Bldg Mgmt war will go on forever. You do what fits >>> right for the time. >>> >>> >>> Hence why we are doing what we are doing, it helps everyone save in the >>> long run. Can't stress this enough......... Every major POP we go into >>> we automatically take a port or two to the local exchange and if has the >>> major peers (google,netflix, etc..) So all you IXPs we want major peers!! >>> :) >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> [email protected] >>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Of course. Leaving Equinix is even worse as you have a $350/month cross >>> connect and then an $800/month riser fee. >>> >>> That's why I specified Equinix at 350 E. Cermak. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:47:03 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> You know that Equinix doesn't own or run 350 E. Cermak, right? They're >>> just one tenant. It's owned by Digital Realty Trust. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> In some markets, that's the only viable place to go. Chicago, for >>> instance. Equinix at 350 E. Cermak has a commanding lead over anywhere else >>> for connectivity. With AMS-IX, Megaport and United-IX here now, we'll >>> likely see some of that shift around a bit, but it'll take time. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>> >>> *The Brothers WISP* >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> ------------------------------ >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <*[email protected]*> >>> *To: **[email protected]* >>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 11:02:51 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Smart people don't start leases in Equinix facilities unless they have >>> absolutely, positively no other option. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> In an Equinix facility, 1G ports are very expensive... at $350/month >>> per cross connect. :-) <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>> >>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>> >>> *The Brothers WISP* >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> ------------------------------ >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <*[email protected]*> >>> *To: **[email protected]* >>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 10:10:58 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Once upon a time, that was probably said about 10G links. Before then, >>> about 1G links. Those 1G ports are expensive you know. >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Paul Stewart <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Had a demo of that platform a month or so ago .. wasn’t public obviously >>> - pretty impressive but a lot jammed into a “small package” … tough sell >>> for folks who need that kind of density, personal opinion is to keep things >>> more “spread out” on 100G links reducing areas of risk, but I digress as >>> that’s more design/resiliency related :) >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures. >>> >>> *https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630* >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>> >>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>> >>> *The Brothers WISP* >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
