I just wanna talk about the router. On Jun 20, 2016 9:09 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do WDM > instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However, you > could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up, no > room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No space > was available. None. > > The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let > you run your own? That doesn't seem likely. > > > Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message. > Yes, I see the common point here... the room. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? > > Mike you are thinking small scale. On a large scale look, you would do > DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your > own fiber between the two facilities. > > Mike are you frustrated with all of us... > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into >> Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or >> CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything >> other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're >> beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually >> aren't. >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without repeating >> myself, so I'll resort to that. >> >> It was joked that 1G ports are expensive. >> I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix >> $350/month cross connect. >> Someone said don't use Equinix. >> I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go to >> and that's Equinix. >> Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space (carrier >> hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't own 350 >> E. Cermak. >> Enter the $800/month riser fee. >> Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff, >> again, from people that should all know better. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 7:56:05 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >> >> Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers and >> major IX connectivity. So where is the problem? >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> [email protected] >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If you want to have Equinix IX connectivity as well as connectivity to >>> the variety of carriers present, that means you have to be in Equinix's >>> CH1, CH2 or CH4. Those datacenters are routinely out of power, so you can't >>> just buy a cabinet whenever you feel like it. They're only available when >>> someone else has canceled theirs. Given the riser charge, you can't just >>> take a cabinet in TelX, Steadfast, CME or any of the others due to the $800 >>> riser fee. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:19:53 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>> >>> Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they give >>> you a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT for >>> lower x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long term >>> it makes sense. That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix. We will be >>> in dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason. >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> The Fusion Network >>> [email protected] >>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Two different things and at one point three different companies. >>>> >>>> The Equinix rep said to get lower per XC price, you'd need 500 XCs. I >>>> know that isn't true because we got lower pricing. >>>> >>>> TelX manages the MMR and the riser, while DRT owns the building. Yes, I >>>> know DRT bought TelX. That riser charge was $800. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:35:42 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> >>>> Have never paid riser fees in any location ever FYI, although 111 8th >>>> in NYC you are paying for it per say between floors but it’s not broken out >>>> (at least for me)… and it’s definitely a lot less than 500 XC’s – it’s >>>> related to MRC derived from power/space/XC’s combined with negotiation >>>> skills and the market too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* June 19, 2016 11:55 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Right. One rep told us we'd need to be around 500 XCs to get a lower >>>> rate (which I know isn't true). Even our TelX rep said that the difference >>>> in space pricing wasn't enough to make up for the riser fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:50:46 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> >>>> Equinix will negotiate if you have enough business with them and also >>>> having an alternate option to go to (Telx/DR runs the building MMR @ 350 >>>> Cermak). This DC/Bldg Mgmt war will go on forever. You do what fits >>>> right for the time. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hence why we are doing what we are doing, it helps everyone save in the >>>> long run. Can't stress this enough......... Every major POP we go into >>>> we automatically take a port or two to the local exchange and if has the >>>> major peers (google,netflix, etc..) So all you IXPs we want major peers!! >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> North Central Tower >>>> [email protected] >>>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course. Leaving Equinix is even worse as you have a $350/month cross >>>> connect and then an $800/month riser fee. >>>> >>>> That's why I specified Equinix at 350 E. Cermak. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:47:03 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> >>>> You know that Equinix doesn't own or run 350 E. Cermak, right? They're >>>> just one tenant. It's owned by Digital Realty Trust. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> In some markets, that's the only viable place to go. Chicago, for >>>> instance. Equinix at 350 E. Cermak has a commanding lead over anywhere else >>>> for connectivity. With AMS-IX, Megaport and United-IX here now, we'll >>>> likely see some of that shift around a bit, but it'll take time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>> >>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <*[email protected]*> >>>> *To: **[email protected]* >>>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 11:02:51 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Smart people don't start leases in Equinix facilities unless they have >>>> absolutely, positively no other option. >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> >>>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> In an Equinix facility, 1G ports are very expensive... at $350/month >>>> per cross connect. :-) <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>>> >>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>> >>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <*[email protected]*> >>>> *To: **[email protected]* >>>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 10:10:58 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Once upon a time, that was probably said about 10G links. Before then, >>>> about 1G links. Those 1G ports are expensive you know. >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Paul Stewart <*[email protected]*> >>>> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Had a demo of that platform a month or so ago .. wasn’t public >>>> obviously - pretty impressive but a lot jammed into a “small package” … >>>> tough sell for folks who need that kind of density, personal opinion is to >>>> keep things more “spread out” on 100G links reducing areas of risk, but I >>>> digress as that’s more design/resiliency related :) >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures. >>>> >>>> *https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630* >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* >>>> >>>> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >>>> >>>> *The Brothers WISP* >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
