I wonder what Nauvoo is, at one time its population was equal to Chicago.  They 
had a charter from the state to create a university.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:43 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Any “towns” in Illinois were incorporated before the 1872 Cities and Villages 
Act.  Cortland, IL likes to brag that it is the 3rd largest town in Illinois.  
But that’s out of less than 20 remaining towns.

Illinois villages have exactly 6 trustees, cities have 6 or more aldermen.  But 
if you’re incorporated, after 1872, and you’re not a city, you’re a village.  I 
live in a village.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:07 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

  In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that I'm 
forgetting.




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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

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  From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...


  I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe.


  On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Not for small villages with almost no budget.


    On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

      I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.



      Daniel White

      Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

      ConVergence Technologies

      Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

      [email protected]



      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



      If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing.... hint hint, poke poke.

      On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

        If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.



        You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.



        Daniel White

        Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

        ConVergence Technologies

        Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

        [email protected]



        From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
        Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



        >public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees)



        So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't 
have to pay if it's for government use?






        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373



        On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <[email protected]> 
wrote:

          Adam,



          To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet 
service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass 
over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet 
on their internal network using 4.9GHz).



          I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a 
contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the 
safety agency it would all be kosher.



          I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember 
safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks 
to prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 



          Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again 
though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and 
only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to 
the customer as part of the broadband services contract.



          Daniel White

          Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

          ConVergence Technologies

          Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

          [email protected]



          From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
          Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
          To: [email protected]
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



          Good to know, I will take a look.

          Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

          Adam



          From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
          Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
          To: Jaime Solorza; [email protected]
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



          B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 
Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.



          Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder



          On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
([email protected]) wrote:

            Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 
3.65 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal 
agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions.... I know in 5GHz once 
they go up they stay up pretty solidly. 



            On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

            We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.



            They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 
mile link, so AF24 is out.



            I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when 
requested, I want five nines, so Licensed.



            Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?



            What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?



            If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a 
short link.



            Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?



            BTW they are price sensitive.



            Thanks



            Adam  








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