Same here.

On 7/26/2016 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Township is more like a small county within a county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    We have townships and communities too where things are
    unincorporated.
    *From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
    We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/
    Josh Luthman
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    Troy, OH 45373
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may
        be more that I'm forgetting.



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        *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

        I had never heard the term "village" used in North America
        until recently. "Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always
        under the assumption a "village" was a "town" in Europe.

        On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Not for small villages with almost no budget.

            On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

                I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is
                a better fit for government projects.

                Daniel White

                Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

                ConVergence Technologies__

                Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

                [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
                *George Skorup
                *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
                *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

                If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for
                the gov't projects we're doing.... hint hint, poke poke.

                On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

                    If it is under a government FRN… then there is no
                    license fees.

                    You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

                    Daniel White

                    Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

                    ConVergence Technologies

                    Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
                    <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

                    [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>

                    *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
                    Of *Josh Luthman
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
                    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

                    >public safety agency owns the equipment they can
                    license and only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees)

                    So when you edit/add the site information on the
                    FCC sites you don't have to pay if it's for
                    government use?


                    Josh Luthman
                    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                    1100 Wayne St
                    Suite 1337
                    Troy, OH 45373

                    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Adam,

                        To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz
                        to provide internet service, regardless of
                        whom the end user is. Commercial traffic
                        cannot pass over public safety systems
                        (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the
                        Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).

                        I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc,
                        the safety agency had a contract to lease
                        space on the tower, and you donated the
                        equipment to the safety agency it would all be
                        kosher.

                        I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications
                        personally – remember safety agencies with
                        higher priority in a disaster can shut down
                        other networks to prevent interference (for
                        instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can
                        tell the city to shut down).

                        Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done
                        with it.  Once again though, if the public
                        safety agency owns the equipment they can
                        license and only pay coordination costs (no
                        FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to
                        the customer as part of the broadband services
                        contract.

                        Daniel White

                        Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

                        ConVergence Technologies

                        Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
                        <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

                        [email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>

                        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of
                        *SmarterBroadband
                        *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
                        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

                        Good to know, I will take a look.

                        Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

                        Adam

                        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On
                        Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
                        *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
                        *To:* Jaime Solorza; [email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

                        B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified,
                        should get you 200 Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max
                        allowable channel configuration in that band.
                        Great distance for it.

                        Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co>•
                        CPO & Co-Founder

                        On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza
                        ([email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>) wrote:

                            Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios
                            but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due to
                            hundreds of Radwins used across border by
                            state and federal agencies.   I know
                            Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions.... I
                            know in 5GHz once they go up they stay up
                            pretty solidly.

                            On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM,
                            "SmarterBroadband"
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            We currently provide 100 meg to our local
                            county offices on an AF24.

                            They want us to move the link to another
                            location will be a 4.3 mile link, so AF24
                            is out.

                            I need a link to do 100 meg now and be
                            able to do 200 when requested, I want five
                            nines, so Licensed.

                            Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

                            What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

                            If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to
                            waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

                            Suggestions in Licensed 18Ghz?

                            BTW they are price sensitive.

                            Thanks

                            Adam

                        
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