This industry historically hasn't been known for prioritizing ethical behavior, ask the fcc and the people who paid for 54mb connections
On Aug 23, 2016 12:15 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > BTW, back around 1976 I worked for a company that made TV sets for Sears > and KMart. We had samples of TV set from all the competitors, including > European manufacturers like Philips. The European sets looked like a > Tektronix oscilloscope inside, very different from the American and > Japanese sets where cutting a penny of cost was a big deal. I was told the > difference was that most Europeans (at that time, I’m guessing it’s > different now) leased their TV rather than buying. So the decision makers > were the leasing companies, and they wanted reliable equipment that could > come back off lease, get a minor cleaning, and go back out to another > customer. Take abuse and last forever. > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics > > That WNR1000 is a horrible selection to be selling a customer in 2016, at > any price. > > But I think this WISP may come to regret it because when you sell someone > a router for $80 and they also have monthly Internet service from you, they > are going to expect you to stand behind the router and replace it if it > dies. I know, I know, not a big deal if you are buying them for $10. But > I will no longer sell people routers. I will lease them a managed router, > and it is going to be a decent router if I am going to support it. > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 9:01 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics > > This is not a WISP that competes with me in any way... > > It's actually a family member's new last mile connection, where the bill > looks like: > > NRC > $several hundred dollars - CPE radio > $165 - new customer one time installation fee > $80 router purchase > > MRC > $85 monthly for a reasonably high quota service > > I think that the price disparity between the actual market value of the > router ($11 to $15 on ebay with free shipping included in the price) and > what they sold it for is so wide that it's just *wrong*. > > I can see buying a $75 basic 802.11ac router and selling it for $100, or > even $110... But not this. > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Trey Scarborough <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree if they are selling the router along with installing it for $80 >> and they are not selling it as a new router I don't see the problem. Its a >> $10 plus say $10 for shipping and $60 to install it. If that was geek squad >> the bill would probably come out to $300... >> >> I agree if this is a competitor just sell a better faster router for less >> with install. >> >> On 8/22/2016 8:07 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> >>> If this is your competition, I encourage you to forget about it. Nothing >>> productive will come of it. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016, 7:33 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> That doesn't really answer the questions though. Sounds like the >>> second one kinda... >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2016 7:47 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> A CPE radio was installed and aimed, ubnt PoE injector put in >>> place, and the router connected to the LAN side of the PoE... >>> >>> The CPE radio installation was its own installation service >>> charge and equipment fee separate from the $80 line item for the >>> router. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> If it's sold as new? That's wrong. >>> >>> If it's sold as a service (go to house, install router, >>> leave)? That's fine. >>> >>> If it's sold as a used product? That's fine. >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Many WISPs rent routers or sell home wifi routers to >>> their customers. >>> >>> Some routers are used pulls from other customers, get >>> factory defaulted and configured for new customers. >>> >>> Nothing wrong with this. >>> >>> If you saw a WISP that was taking used routers from >>> customer pulls and re-selling them to another customer >>> at $80/piece, and that router was this exact model: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NETGEA >>> R-WNR1000-WIRELESS-N-N150-WIRELESS-ROUTER-RANGEMAX-4-PORT- >>> SWITCH-/171392676852?hash=item27e7ccb3f4:g:D8sAAOSwKPNTzDRY >>> >>> Would you consider it to be ethically questionable? I >>> could not in good conscience sell such a feeble, >>> obsolete $10 router for $80. >>> >>> >>> This is not a 'rented' router, this was an actual >>> purchase line item on a customer invoice. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
