Poles actually do permanently consume non renewable resources.  There is only 
so much room for a pole line along most streets and roads.  Once that room is 
consumed it is gone.   Even private easements are “perpetual” and “run with the 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

where is my popcorn...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jaime Solorza 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

  I will stand in for Chuck, not that he needs help,  just haven't tangled in a 
while... Getting rusty

  On Sep 17, 2016 9:23 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

    So, will chuck and jared be gladiator fighting in the cage after Patrick 
and whoever challenges him ?

    On Sep 17, 2016 5:10 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

      Great post Jared!

      Jeff Broadwick 
      ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
      312-205-2519 Office
      574-220-7826 Cell

      On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:16 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

          From: chuck

          Why should you even get access to my ducts or my poles in the first 

        Because you put them in the public right of way. 
        If you want private ducts and poles, go negotiate your own easements 
and build on private land. 

          I paid to have them put in for my use.

        So you did. We, the public, still get to set the rules (by proxy) on 
how the poles are to be used on "our" land. 

          I realize it is somewhat the "law of 

          the commons" but even then, those who file for a mining claim get the 

          of the mine.  This is just a different kind of mine.

        The mines analogy isn't really suitable as cables on poles do not 
permanently consume non-renewable resources. 

          You still pay an attachment fee because you forced the upgrade of my 

        That only makes sense if I had to pay you until the old pole was paid 
off. After that you should pay me. 

          You should be grateful there is a pole there you can use in the first 

        What's there to be grateful about? I just put in my own damn pole. 
        If there was an existing pole there I could use, you should be grateful 
for me paying it off for you. 

          Why not break out your horizontal directional drill and stay the hell 
off my 


        Let's see how you like that argument when I pass an ordinance to 
underground all utilities. 

        Just because you were the first one to put in a pole, does not mean you 
should be the only one allowed to benefit from the public right of way. 

          (Chuck McCown is playing the part of the pissed off, privately owned, 

          electrical utility in today's episode.  Chuck McCown is not actually 
a pole 

          owner but he plays one on TV).

        Jared is playing the part of the outraged and righteous member of 
public. In real life Jared is just an ordinary citizen. 


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