this just wont get solved with words. There can be only one.
bring on the fisticuffs On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:21 PM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote: > I'll grant you that there is only so much space for poles. However, I used > the qualifier not permanently to denote that poles do get replaced, either > to make room for more cables or because they have a finite lifetime. Hence > my argument is that while poles do consume non-renevable resources, the > consumption is not permanent and final, as new poles will replace old ones. > > Jared > > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:46 PM > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > > Poles actually do permanently consume non renewable resources. There is > only so much room for a pole line along most streets and roads. Once that > room is consumed it is gone. Even private easements are “perpetual” and > “run with the land”. > > > > From: CBB - Jay Fuller > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:53 AM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > > > > where is my popcorn... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jaime Solorza > > To: Animal Farm > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > > I will stand in for Chuck, not that he needs help, just haven't > tangled in a while... Getting rusty > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2016 9:23 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > So, will chuck and jared be gladiator fighting in the cage after > Patrick and whoever challenges him ? > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2016 5:10 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net> > wrote: > > > > Great post Jared! > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > ConVergence Technologies, Inc. > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > > > > On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:16 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > > > > > From: chuck > > > > > > > > Why should you even get access to my ducts or my poles in the > first place? > > > > Because you put them in the public right of way. > > If you want private ducts and poles, go negotiate your own > easements and build on private land. > > > > > > I paid to have them put in for my use. > > > > So you did. We, the public, still get to set the rules (by > proxy) on how the poles are to be used on "our" land. > > > > > > I realize it is somewhat the "law of > > > > the commons" but even then, those who file for a mining claim > get the spoils > > > > of the mine. This is just a different kind of mine. > > > > The mines analogy isn't really suitable as cables on poles do > not permanently consume non-renewable resources. > > > > > > You still pay an attachment fee because you forced the upgrade > of my pole. > > > > That only makes sense if I had to pay you until the old pole was > paid off. After that you should pay me. > > > > > > You should be grateful there is a pole there you can use in > the first place. > > > > What's there to be grateful about? I just put in my own damn > pole. > > If there was an existing pole there I could use, you should be > grateful for me paying it off for you. > > > > > > Why not break out your horizontal directional drill and stay > the hell off my > > > > poles. > > > > Let's see how you like that argument when I pass an ordinance to > underground all utilities. > > > > Just because you were the first one to put in a pole, does not > mean you should be the only one allowed to benefit from the public right of > way. > > > > > > (Chuck McCown is playing the part of the pissed off, privately > owned, > > > > electrical utility in today's episode. Chuck McCown is not > actually a pole > > > > owner but he plays one on TV). > > > > Jared is playing the part of the outraged and righteous member > of public. In real life Jared is just an ordinary citizen. > > > > Jared > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
