For clarification, the "deadman switch/drop" wikileaks has is well known. It has been discussed for years.
If the data is there just isn't being released, then triggering the deadman switch is a good way to force it to be released. Make of this what you will. On Oct 17, 2016 9:54 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: > I do believe that if the information is already "out there" that it should > be released. > > That said, "Who benefits from this release? There's likely your answer on > who released it." > > On Oct 17, 2016 9:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That's fine with me. If we're doing a bunch of secret things that our >> citizens aren't allowed to know about, then how can we actually function as >> a democratic republic? >> >> "Vote for me. I won't actually tell you what I'm really going to do, but >> trust me it'll be for the best." >> >> *Operational security* so that enemies don't know the exact position and >> disposition of our forces is necessary. If we don't really know what our >> leaders are doing and why they're doing it then that is not ok with me. If >> we're afraid of Julian Assange revealing something embarrassing then maybe >> we're doing too many embarrassing things. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: 10/17/2016 9:24:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> Interesting. How long will that last, 15 minutes? >> >> >> >> I’m not sure why you like Assange so much, he is very anti-US and several >> of his Wikileaks cofounders have parted company due to his runaway ego. >> >> >> >> Vox leans left so you probably dismiss anything they say, but they >> specialize in in-depth coverage and display their facts and sources so you >> can discount their bias and form your own conclusions. Here’s an excerpt >> from a recent article on why Assange is targeting Clinton: >> >> >> >> “WikiLeaks’ overriding ideology, at least publicly, is one of “radical >> transparency”: a deep belief >> <https://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf> that modern politics is >> undemocratic, with the important decisions made behind closed doors by >> elites and bureaucrats, and that the public deserves to know what’s >> actually going on. >> >> But there’s always been another consistent element of the group’s >> thinking: suspicion of the United States and its role in global politics. >> This stems from the thinking of its founder and leader, Assange — which >> helps explain why the group seems to despise Clinton. >> >> The organization’s 2015 book *The WikiLeaks Files: The World According >> to US Empire <http://www.versobooks.com/books/1931-the-wikileaks-files>* >> contains the most in-depth catalog of Assange’s thoughts on the United >> States. They’re not positive: Assange sees the United States as a malign >> empire, one that has spent the decades since World War II unjustly >> interfering in other countries and killing their citizens. He sees the work >> of WikiLeaks, particularly publishing classified US documents, as a way to >> expose the inner workings of imperialism. >> >> “Only by approaching this corpus holistically — over and above the >> documentation of each individual abuse, each localized atrocity — does the >> true human cost of empire heave into view,” Assange writes >> <http://www.newsweek.com/emb-midnight-827-assange-what-wikileaks-teaches-us-about-how-us-operates-366364> >> . >> >> WikiLeaks’ operations, in keeping with this philosophy, have heavily >> targeted the US. “It has been pretty hard to make the case that WikiLeaks >> is a neutral transmission system,” journalist Joshua Keating >> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/> wrote in >> 2012. “Nearly all its major operations have targeted the US government or >> American corporations.” >> >> It makes sense that someone with Assange’s views would hate Clinton. >> She’s widely seen, with some justification >> <http://www.vox.com/world/2016/5/27/11608580/donald-trump-foreign-policy-war-iraq-hillary-clinton>, >> as someone who’s pretty comfortable with using American military power. She >> has been consistently in the interventionist wing of the Democratic Party >> on such issues as the Iraq War, the Libya intervention, and arming the >> Syrian rebels. >> >> When the UK’s ITV >> <http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-12/assange-on-peston-on-sunday-more-clinton-leaks-to-come/> >> asked Assange whether he’d prefer Trump as president, this was a core part >> of his answer. In fact, he implied that Clinton’s record made her even more >> dangerous than Trump. >> >> “Trump is a completely unpredictable phenomenon. You can’t predict what >> he would do in office,” Assange said. “Hillary was overriding the >> Pentagon’s reluctance to overthrow Muammar Qaddafi. ... She has a long >> history of being a liberal war hawk, and we presume that she’s going to >> proceed.” >> >> Assange clearly sees Clinton as a representative of the worst parts of >> the American empire. Moreover, he thinks that she, personally, would use >> the power of the US government to go after his organization. >> >> “Hillary Clinton is receiving constant updates about my personal >> situation; she has pushed for the prosecution of WikiLeaks,” he told ITV. >> “We do see her as more of a problem for freedom of the press generally.” >> >> In Assange’s telling, Clinton is an authoritarian imperialist who >> directly threatens the well-being of his organization and maybe even his >> person. No wonder Assange seems to think she’s worse than Trump >> >> http://www.vox.com/2016/9/15/12929262/wikileaks-hillary-clin >> ton-julian-assange-hate >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 8:03 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> Wikieleaks is now saying that Assange has been cut off from Internet by >> some State Power right when he was about to release the John Kerry emails. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 5:40 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> Russia is doing some saber rattling for sure. It is concerning. Putin >> seems to be trying to take advantage of the lame duck period somehow, who >> knows what he is up to. N. Korea also, saying they are willing to launch a >> nuclear first strike. You’d think there would be more coverage of the >> Russian threats, but all people care about is the election reality show. >> >> >> >> Putin is pissed that Obama called him a regional power. Trump is pissed >> that Obama made fun of him at the press dinner. Isn’t it nice to have >> world leaders who use the powers of state to pursue their personal grudges. >> >> >> >> Meanwhile in Julian Assange news: >> >> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-w >> ikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theorie >> s-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:43 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> >> >> I will look up the speech >> >> >> >> How do you feel about the implied "bracing for war" Russia seems to be >> doing? >> >> >> >> The right (I do live in Alabama) seems to believe they are bracing for >> war if Trump does not get elected. >> >> >> >> I have not heard what the left thinks since all they can talk about is >> the Billy Bush trump tapes or women.... >> >> >> >> In fact I don't believe the media is covering anything....Not even us >> firing on Yemen (I did not read that article on the internet I assume we >> bombed A terrorist camp or something) >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >> >> >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:29 AM >> >> >> >> Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated with Iran, >> basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq. (Idiot Trump doesn’t >> seem to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of State, but then he lives in a >> fact free zone.) After years of sanctions, you have to get some payoff as >> a result of those sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our >> negotiating team could get. Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if >> you look back to the Iraq vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand why >> he took the approach he did with Iran. >> >> >> >> He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even at the >> risk of failure. Very different approach from Clinton, I think, who seemed >> to be more of a delegator. Unfortunately his efforts on the >> Israel/Palestine issue were a total failure, and Putin and Lavrov totally >> played him for a fool on Syria. Well, and Obama too, remember he was going >> to do the big “reset” with Russia. And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the >> Obama administration. Makes me totally shake my head at Trump wanting to >> “get along” with Russia. Why is no one saying that sounds like weak Obama >> who tried to be Putin’s buddy and was made to look like a fool. And no >> wonder Putin wants Trump to win, since Hillary is hawkish on Russia. What >> a bizzaro world we live in, where the Republican candidate has a bromance >> with Putin, and it’s the Democratic candidate who wants to be tough on >> Russia? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:10 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> Then listen to the whole speech. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> >> >> I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow >> inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative. >> >> >> >> In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not >> have gone to war.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >> >> >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM >> >> >> >> I remember that very clearly. It was a war authorization vote. The >> President told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand >> when he went to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to >> submit to inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, >> and that it was not a vote to go to war except as a last resort. He >> basically framed it as a vote of confidence in him, that he needed that >> vote to show the world he was serious and the nation spoke with one voice, >> it made it very difficult for Congress not to vote yes. Of course he >> didn’t follow through with his promises and quickly went to war without >> exhausting all other avenues. >> >> >> >> I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of >> the senate before the vote, laying this all out. And I remember having a >> sick feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and >> warned him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen. Whatever you think >> of John Kerry, this is a riveting speech. I found a video of it online. >> It’s 50 minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around >> 33:00. >> >> >> >> https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-au >> thorization-speech-9oct02 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> >> >> >> >> >> I remind you....congress had to vote on that. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >> >> >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter? >> Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM >> >> >> >> Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who >> proudly served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally. He is >> still under medical care ... We should have gone after Taliban in >> Afghanistan and wiped them out along with poppie fields. Hussein was a >> dictator I know but our reason to invade was based on weapons of mass >> destruction which didn't exist. We messed up the status quo, left and >> gave ISIS an opening... If you study history of region it has shown no >> outside nation has ever been able to conquer area for very long.. These >> folks have been at war since forever and we got caught up in it. When you >> travel on plane you are affected... Large public events are different now >> because threat of terrorism exists. So we are all affected some way. >> The times, they are a changin >> >> >> >> On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Exactly right. Who is president has some effect, but not game changing. >> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the >> country reflects that. The pendulum swings back and forth, but always >> reverts to the mean. >> >> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Congress makes and changes law. Supreme Court makes a few important >> decisions. Regulators are who really run the country. >> >> >> >> Does it really matter who the president is? >> >> What did Obama do? Encouraged the ACA. Dropped the ball in Syria. But >> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time? >> >> >> >> Ditto Bush. They affect foreign policy. They have the ability to really >> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have >> much effect on me? >> >> >> >> Granted, altering the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like >> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays. >> But that really does not touch me. My granddaughter having to cope with >> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust >> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense. >> >> >> >> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do >> much here at home. Congress does. The court does. Bureaucracies do. >> >> >> >> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to >> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we >> are talking about a real impact... >> >> >> >> http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/ >> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm >> >> >> >> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445! >> >> >> >>
