For clarification, the "deadman switch/drop" wikileaks has is well known.
It has been discussed for years.

If the data is there just isn't being released, then triggering the deadman
switch is a good way to force it to be released.

Make of this what you will.

On Oct 17, 2016 9:54 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I do believe that if the information is already "out there" that it should
> be released.
>
> That said, "Who benefits from this release? There's likely your answer on
> who released it."
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's fine with me.  If we're doing a bunch of secret things that our
>> citizens aren't allowed to know about, then how can we actually function as
>> a democratic republic?
>>
>> "Vote for me.  I won't actually tell you what I'm really going to do, but
>> trust me it'll be for the best."
>>
>> *Operational security* so that enemies don't know the exact position and
>> disposition of our forces is necessary.  If we don't really know what our
>> leaders are doing and why they're doing it then that is not ok with me.  If
>> we're afraid of Julian Assange revealing something embarrassing then maybe
>> we're doing too many embarrassing things.
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/17/2016 9:24:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>> Interesting.  How long will that last, 15 minutes?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure why you like Assange so much, he is very anti-US and several
>> of his Wikileaks cofounders have parted company due to his runaway ego.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vox leans left so you probably dismiss anything they say, but they
>> specialize in in-depth coverage and display their facts and sources so you
>> can discount their bias and form your own conclusions.  Here’s an excerpt
>> from a recent article on why Assange is targeting Clinton:
>>
>>
>>
>> “WikiLeaks’ overriding ideology, at least publicly, is one of “radical
>> transparency”: a deep belief
>> <https://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf> that modern politics is
>> undemocratic, with the important decisions made behind closed doors by
>> elites and bureaucrats, and that the public deserves to know what’s
>> actually going on.
>>
>> But there’s always been another consistent element of the group’s
>> thinking: suspicion of the United States and its role in global politics.
>> This stems from the thinking of its founder and leader, Assange — which
>> helps explain why the group seems to despise Clinton.
>>
>> The organization’s 2015 book *The WikiLeaks Files: The World According
>> to US Empire <http://www.versobooks.com/books/1931-the-wikileaks-files>*
>> contains the most in-depth catalog of Assange’s thoughts on the United
>> States. They’re not positive: Assange sees the United States as a malign
>> empire, one that has spent the decades since World War II unjustly
>> interfering in other countries and killing their citizens. He sees the work
>> of WikiLeaks, particularly publishing classified US documents, as a way to
>> expose the inner workings of imperialism.
>>
>> “Only by approaching this corpus holistically — over and above the
>> documentation of each individual abuse, each localized atrocity — does the
>> true human cost of empire heave into view,” Assange writes
>> <http://www.newsweek.com/emb-midnight-827-assange-what-wikileaks-teaches-us-about-how-us-operates-366364>
>> .
>>
>> WikiLeaks’ operations, in keeping with this philosophy, have heavily
>> targeted the US. “It has been pretty hard to make the case that WikiLeaks
>> is a neutral transmission system,” journalist Joshua Keating
>> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/> wrote in
>> 2012. “Nearly all its major operations have targeted the US government or
>> American corporations.”
>>
>> It makes sense that someone with Assange’s views would hate Clinton.
>> She’s widely seen, with some justification
>> <http://www.vox.com/world/2016/5/27/11608580/donald-trump-foreign-policy-war-iraq-hillary-clinton>,
>> as someone who’s pretty comfortable with using American military power. She
>> has been consistently in the interventionist wing of the Democratic Party
>> on such issues as the Iraq War, the Libya intervention, and arming the
>> Syrian rebels.
>>
>> When the UK’s ITV
>> <http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-12/assange-on-peston-on-sunday-more-clinton-leaks-to-come/>
>> asked Assange whether he’d prefer Trump as president, this was a core part
>> of his answer. In fact, he implied that Clinton’s record made her even more
>> dangerous than Trump.
>>
>> “Trump is a completely unpredictable phenomenon. You can’t predict what
>> he would do in office,” Assange said. “Hillary was overriding the
>> Pentagon’s reluctance to overthrow Muammar Qaddafi. ... She has a long
>> history of being a liberal war hawk, and we presume that she’s going to
>> proceed.”
>>
>> Assange clearly sees Clinton as a representative of the worst parts of
>> the American empire. Moreover, he thinks that she, personally, would use
>> the power of the US government to go after his organization.
>>
>> “Hillary Clinton is receiving constant updates about my personal
>> situation; she has pushed for the prosecution of WikiLeaks,” he told ITV.
>> “We do see her as more of a problem for freedom of the press generally.”
>>
>> In Assange’s telling, Clinton is an authoritarian imperialist who
>> directly threatens the well-being of his organization and maybe even his
>> person. No wonder Assange seems to think she’s worse than Trump
>>
>> http://www.vox.com/2016/9/15/12929262/wikileaks-hillary-clin
>> ton-julian-assange-hate
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 8:03 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wikieleaks is now saying that Assange has been cut off from Internet by
>> some State Power right when he was about to release the John Kerry emails.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 5:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Russia is doing some saber rattling for sure.  It is concerning.  Putin
>> seems to be trying to take advantage of the lame duck period somehow, who
>> knows what he is up to.  N. Korea also, saying they are willing to launch a
>> nuclear first strike.  You’d think there would be more coverage of the
>> Russian threats, but all people care about is the election reality show.
>>
>>
>>
>> Putin is pissed that Obama called him a regional power.  Trump is pissed
>> that Obama made fun of him at the press dinner.  Isn’t it nice to have
>> world leaders who use the powers of state to pursue their personal grudges.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile in Julian Assange news:
>>
>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-w
>> ikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theorie
>> s-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I will look up the speech
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you feel about the implied "bracing for war" Russia seems to be
>> doing?
>>
>>
>>
>> The right (I do live in Alabama) seems to believe they are bracing for
>> war if Trump does not get elected.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not heard what the left thinks since all they can talk about is
>> the Billy Bush trump tapes or women....
>>
>>
>>
>> In fact I don't believe the media is covering anything....Not even us
>> firing on Yemen (I did not read that article on the internet I assume we
>> bombed A terrorist camp or something)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:29 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated with Iran,
>> basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq.  (Idiot Trump doesn’t
>> seem to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of State, but then he lives in a
>> fact free zone.)  After years of sanctions, you have to get some payoff as
>> a result of those sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our
>> negotiating team could get.  Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if
>> you look back to the Iraq vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand why
>> he took the approach he did with Iran.
>>
>>
>>
>> He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even at the
>> risk of failure.  Very different approach from Clinton, I think, who seemed
>> to be more of a delegator.  Unfortunately his efforts on the
>> Israel/Palestine issue were a total failure, and Putin and Lavrov totally
>> played him for a fool on Syria.  Well, and Obama too, remember he was going
>> to do the big “reset” with Russia.  And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the
>> Obama administration.  Makes me totally shake my head at Trump wanting to
>> “get along” with Russia.  Why is no one saying that sounds like weak Obama
>> who tried to be Putin’s buddy and was made to look like a fool.  And no
>> wonder Putin wants Trump to win, since Hillary is hawkish on Russia.  What
>> a bizzaro world we live in, where the Republican candidate has a bromance
>> with Putin, and it’s the Democratic candidate who wants to be tough on
>> Russia?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Then listen to the whole speech.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow
>> inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not
>> have gone to war....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The
>> President told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand
>> when he went to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to
>> submit to inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him,
>> and that it was not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He
>> basically framed it as a vote of confidence in him, that he needed that
>> vote to show the world he was serious and the nation spoke with one voice,
>> it made it very difficult for Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he
>> didn’t follow through with his promises and quickly went to war without
>> exhausting all other avenues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of
>> the senate before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a
>> sick feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and
>> warned him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think
>> of John Kerry, this is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.
>> It’s 50 minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around
>> 33:00.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-au
>> thorization-speech-9oct02
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I remind you....congress had to vote on that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who
>> proudly served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is
>> still under medical care ...   We should have gone after Taliban in
>> Afghanistan and wiped them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a
>> dictator I know but our reason to invade was based on weapons of mass
>> destruction which didn't exist.   We messed up the status quo, left and
>> gave ISIS an opening... If you study history of region it has shown no
>> outside nation has ever been able to conquer area for very long..  These
>> folks have been at war since forever and we got caught up in it.  When you
>> travel on plane you are affected... Large public events are different now
>> because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all affected some way.
>> The times, they are a changin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.
>> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the
>> country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always
>> reverts to the mean.
>>
>> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important
>> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does it really matter who the president is?
>>
>> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But
>> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really
>> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have
>> much effect on me?
>>
>>
>>
>> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like
>> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.
>> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with
>> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust
>> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do
>> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to
>> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we
>> are talking about a real impact...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/
>> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!
>>
>>
>>
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