Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Why can't you write off that?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
>> eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 
>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive 
>> savings.
>> 
>>  
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>> 
>>  
>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)     Your 
>> more than welcome to come visit.
>> 
>>  
>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>> 
>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
>> front end.
>> 
>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all 
>> pretty new.
>> 
>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has 
>> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer 
>> can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will 
>> ever buy another Sprinter.
>> 
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd 
>> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler 
>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>> 
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
>> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without 
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding 
>> doors for the same reason.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
>> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding 
>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder 
>> racks for stuff and job's done?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
>> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
>> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
>> put on any new truck.
>> 
>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>> 
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Who makes the good one?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.    I 
>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
>> handle.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
>> farther:
>> 
>>  
>> <IMG_0464.jpeg>
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Good design:
>> 
>>  
>> <IMG_0465.jpeg>
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
>> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
>> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds 
>> like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
>> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
>> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be>
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
>> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
>> hangers. They also have locks.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>> 
>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>> 
>>  
>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over 
>> the side or something?
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
>> entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The 
>> full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m 
>> sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the 
>> wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just 
>> plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  
>> We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 
>> 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better 
>> mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There 
>> are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.
>> 
>>  
>> Joe Falaschi
>> 
>> e-vergent
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost. 
>>  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.
>> 
>>  
>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with                     
>>                                       hail damage, I decided to pass on 
>> that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>> 
>>  
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
>> for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
>> Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>> 
>>  
>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
>> suggestions/experiences.
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
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