Yes, there is something to be said about a stocked van.  Our main installer 
fleet consists of 7 Chevy Express Vans, mostly 1500, 2 are 2500, and all fairly 
similar in shelving.  We have a spare AstroVan, and a couple Tahoe’s and a 3500 
Diesel for hauling.  The biggest discrepancy is the techs, some guys keep them 
squeaky clean, others not so much.  It seems no matter how hard you try to 
mandate it clean, stocked, etc. Give it a couple days and you’re a broken 
record again, asking them to clean it.  I’m looking at the future of our fleet 
now also, and I really like the ProMaster, and I’ve driven a Ford Transit 350 
with the 6’ back, which was really nice.  Ladders and pipes being our biggest 
thing to accommodate for.  If we do decide to go new, I think one of the key 
factors is gas mileage we might gain by going with a newer, more efficient 
vehicle.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

   

  There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.    

   

  32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for 
all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies 
for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  
Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

   

  One trip and done.

   

  Mark

   

    On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

     

    
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz&item=182318024875

    Here is one with 36,000 miles.

    Rory

    From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
    Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

    For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
100,000 miles on them and still expense it.

    Rory

    From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
    Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

    Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every 
few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

    If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
kicking the tax can down the road.

    I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

    Mark

      On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

      I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

      Josh Luthman
      Office: 937-552-2340
      Direct: 937-552-2343
      1100 Wayne St
      Suite 1337
      Troy, OH 45373

      On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

      I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via 
depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

        Why can't you write off that?

        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

        If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far 
better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K 
miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

        Rory

        From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
        Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
        To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

        That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

        I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for 
you.




        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

        Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)     
Your more than welcome to come visit.

        Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.

        Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the 
‘truck’ front end.

        Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are 
all pretty new.

        Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability 
has been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes 
dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we 
will ever buy another Sprinter.

        Mark

          On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

          You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  
I'd love to visit if you could spare some of your time.




          Josh Luthman
          Office: 937-552-2340
          Direct: 937-552-2343
          1100 Wayne St
          Suite 1337
          Troy, OH 45373

          On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> 
wrote:

          Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler 
Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

          Mark

            On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

            I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety 
part of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without 
walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors 
for the same reason.




            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340
            Direct: 937-552-2343
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

            Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you 
can make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray 
dogs)

            From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
            Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
            To: af@afmug.com
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

            So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans 
(excluding the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design 
ladder racks for stuff and job's done?




            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340
            Direct: 937-552-2343
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

              We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently 
attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only 
rack I'd put on any new truck.

              On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

                Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van. 

                Mark

                  On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

                  Who makes the good one?

                  Josh Luthman
                  Office: 937-552-2340
                  Direct: 937-552-2343
                  1100 Wayne St
                  Suite 1337
                  Troy, OH 45373

                  On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> 
wrote:

                    All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable 
handle.    I think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the 
flip down handle. 

                    Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle 
sticking out even farther:

                    <IMG_0464.jpeg>

                    Good design:

                    <IMG_0465.jpeg>

                    Mark

                      On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> 
wrote:

                      I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the 
handle folded and stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design 
or maybe just for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a 
discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?

                      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds
                      Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
                      To: af@afmug.com
                      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

                      Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole 
is always connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the 
side of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.

                      On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
wrote:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

                        
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be

                        From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Josh Reynolds
                        Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
                        To: af@afmug.com
                        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

                        Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a 
level that pulls the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull 
it off the hangers. They also have locks.

                        On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

                          For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

                          Can you go through a fast food drive through?

                          How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a 
ladder kit that flips over the side or something?

                          From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Joe Falaschi
                          Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
                          To: af@afmug.com
                          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

                          We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving 
on the driver side door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit 
connects are decent.  The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is 
too big of a hit.  I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 
6 years old the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might 
as well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always 
works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get into 
the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better 
mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There 
are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

                          Joe Falaschi

                          e-vergent

                            On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

                            I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” 
wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is 
brilliant or stupid.

                            A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits 
with hail damage, I decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage 
title.

                            From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
                            Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
                            To: af@afmug.com
                            Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

                            I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm 
looking for a second vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van 
to keep everything inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

                            I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to 
hear of any additional suggestions/experiences.


                            Josh Luthman
                            Office: 937-552-2340
                            Direct: 937-552-2343
                            1100 Wayne St
                            Suite 1337
                            Troy, OH 45373

   

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