If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Mark Radabaugh <mailto:m...@amplex.net>  

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.    

 

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

 

One trip and done.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz&item=182318024875>
 &hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz&item=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)     Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.

Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.

Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.

Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for the 
same reason.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
stuff and job's done?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd put 
on any new truck.

On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van. 

Mark

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.    I think 
some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down handle. 

Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
farther:

<IMG_0464.jpeg>

Good design:

<IMG_0465.jpeg>

Mark

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low roof 
vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark 
has them, maybe he can chime in?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the vehicle 
up top and has a spot for a padlock.

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be> &feature=youtu.be

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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