Ideally I would like to buy one a year and prefer not to have 5 or 6 payments 
to make. 

Mark 

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Why not 60 instead of 48?  Or 72?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:17 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
> paying for it.
> 
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
> the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
> the tax can down the road.
> 
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long 
> ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer 
> equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one 
> breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around 
> without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good 
> graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job 
> in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
>> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Why can't you write off that?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
>>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
>>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
>>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add. 
>>>  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 
>>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive 
>>> savings.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)     Your 
>>> more than welcome to come visit.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
>>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>> 
>>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the 
>>> ‘truck’ front end.
>>> 
>>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all 
>>> pretty new.
>>> 
>>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has 
>>> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes 
>>> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we 
>>> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd 
>>> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler 
>>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
>>> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without 
>>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding 
>>> doors for the same reason.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
>>> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding 
>>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder 
>>> racks for stuff and job's done?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
>>> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
>>> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
>>> put on any new truck.
>>> 
>>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Who makes the good one?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.    I 
>>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
>>> handle.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out 
>>> even farther:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> <IMG_0464.jpeg>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Good design:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> <IMG_0465.jpeg>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and 
>>> stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just 
>>> for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.    
>>>                                                         Sounds like Mark 
>>> has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always 
>>> connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side 
>>> of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>>>  
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
>>> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
>>> hangers. They also have locks.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>>> 
>>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over 
>>> the side or something?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side 
>>> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  
>>> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  
>>> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old 
>>> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well 
>>> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always 
>>> works.  We’ve had some                                                      
>>>      issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k 
>>> mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage 
>>> than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are 
>>> some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Joe Falaschi
>>> 
>>> e-vergent
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L 
>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant 
>>> or stupid.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I 
>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>   <>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second 
>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything 
>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
>>> suggestions/experiences.
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
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