Any reason other just paying it off?  I'm a fan of OPM.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 9:57 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Ideally I would like to buy one a year and prefer not to have 5 or 6
> payments to make.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why not 60 instead of 48?  Or 72?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:17 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
>> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
>> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
>> still paying for it.
>>
>> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
>> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
>> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>>
>> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
>> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
>> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
>> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
>> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
>> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
>> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
>> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
>> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
>>> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Why can't you write off that?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far
>>>> better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded
>>>> with shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
>>>> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
>>>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
>>>> savings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)
>>>> Your more than welcome to come visit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
>>>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>>>
>>>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
>>>> ‘truck’ front end.
>>>>
>>>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are
>>>> all pretty new.
>>>>
>>>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability
>>>> has been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
>>>> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
>>>> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.
>>>> I'd love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
>>>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part
>>>> of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
>>>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
>>>> doors for the same reason.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
>>>> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
>>>> dogs)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans
>>>> (excluding the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design
>>>> ladder racks for stuff and job's done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently
>>>> attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only
>>>> rack I'd put on any new truck.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who makes the good one?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.
>>>>  I think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip
>>>> down handle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out
>>>> even farther:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <IMG_0464.jpeg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good design:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <IMG_0465.jpeg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and
>>>> stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just
>>>> for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.
>>>> Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
>>>> connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
>>>> of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls
>>>> the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
>>>> hangers. They also have locks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>>>>
>>>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips
>>>> over the side or something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
>>>> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
>>>> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
>>>> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
>>>> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
>>>> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
>>>> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
>>>> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
>>>> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
>>>> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
>>>> right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe Falaschi
>>>>
>>>> e-vergent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>>> or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
>>>> additional suggestions/experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
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