Ok - maybe not the blocks all of the time :-)    

Auger is a one man post hole digger with a 8” diameter bit - something like 
this: 
http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747&src=AW90501XE3663309&gclid=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB

No idea if that is a good one or not - I can’t find the ones we bought anymore. 
 It’s a 4 cycle so you don’t have to worry about guys mixing oil (or not mixing 
oil).   Of course our biggest screwup installer (long gone) who I would have 
thought most likely to forget to put oil in a 2-cycle was the one who decided 
to put 2-cycle oil in the 4-cycle engine and then complained it didn’t start 
well and smoked a lot.

Mark


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
> pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back 
> to grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
> there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   
> 
> 32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
> in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
> connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies 
> for all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power 
> supplies for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for 
> non-pen mount.  Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and 
> cable, tools, indoor supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have 
> to tow a trailer to carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day 
> digging through the gigantic mess in the back of the van.
> 
> One trip and done.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz&item=182318024875
>>  
>> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz&item=182318024875>
>>  
>> 
>> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
>> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
>> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
>> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
>> paying for it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
>> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
>> kicking the tax can down the road.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
>> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
>> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for 
>> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer 
>> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when 
>> one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting 
>> around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment 
>> with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to 
>> do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
>> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>  
>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> Why can't you write off that?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
>> eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 
>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive 
>> savings.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)     Your 
>> more than welcome to come visit.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>> 
>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
>> front end.
>> 
>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all 
>> pretty new.
>> 
>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has 
>> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer 
>> can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will 
>> ever buy another Sprinter.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd 
>> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler 
>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
>> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without 
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding 
>> doors for the same reason.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
>> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding 
>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder 
>> racks for stuff and job's done?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
>> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
>> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
>> put on any new truck.
>> 
>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Who makes the good one?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.    I 
>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
>> handle.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
>> farther:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <IMG_0464.jpeg>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good design:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <IMG_0465.jpeg>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
>> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
>> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds 
>> like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
>> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
>> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI&feature=youtu.be>
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
>> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
>> hangers. They also have locks.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>> 
>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over 
>> the side or something?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
>> entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The 
>> full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m 
>> sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the 
>> wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just 
>> plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  
>> We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 
>> 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better 
>> mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There 
>> are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Falaschi
>> 
>> e-vergent
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost. 
>>  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I 
>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
>> for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
>> Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
>> suggestions/experiences.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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