how is it illegal? FCC says we can manage our networks as needed. On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> And illegal. > > - Josh > > On Jun 22, 2017 11:22 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> We go from bad idea to worse? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:15:11 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >> >> Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if the >> customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with it off? >> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to track >>> their specific usage. We tell them that their are routers like the >>> Fortigate which can track usage, but that we do not support those devices. >>> I tell them that I think the new Torch router does it too, but that we have >>> no experience with these devices. "The only way that we track which >>> websites are visited and what you are doing on the Internet is with a >>> warrant or an order from the Department of Justice". We stand behind our >>> usage tracking, and if they do not want to pay the bill then they can find >>> another provider. We have lost two or three customers over four years who >>> refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending those ones to >>> collections. We just go and collect our equipment and write it off as bad >>> debt. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's an interesting point. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> >>>> To: af@afmug.com; "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> >>>> Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>> >>>> We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had to >>>>> pay surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family member, >>>>> what IP is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai >>>>> ... >>>>> You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a view >>>>> Euros. I am sure this service times cost us more money than the customers >>>>> had to pay surplus. We have to do flat pricing. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +0000 >>>>> "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This industry is in trouble. Nobody wants usage based billing. >>>>>> Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons. ISP’s are afraid to >>>>>> implement >>>>>> it for fear of losing customers. If you lose money on an account is it >>>>>> really an asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have >>>>>> already >>>>>> implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment. They seem to have an automated >>>>>> process to adjust rates that will force off the heavy users. Our >>>>>> industry >>>>>> will not get respect until it asks for it. UBB or UBRA (New term I >>>>>> coined) >>>>>> is the way …. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >>>>>> Technologies >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM >>>>>> To: Simon Westlake >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Simon, >>>>>> >>>>>> But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing. Does >>>>>> the baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie? The best way I >>>>>> can >>>>>> put it is renting an apartment with utilities included. If I'm renting >>>>>> an >>>>>> apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to be set at 68 >>>>>> 24/7. The cat will be very comfortable all day, why should I care. >>>>>> However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal with 78 >>>>>> during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still >>>>>> expensive. Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to handle >>>>>> the higher bandwidth internally. >>>>>> 4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080 or 720 TV's. Why should someone >>>>>> who is willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to pay >>>>>> the same as that guy that wants to watch in 4K. Why should a single >>>>>> person >>>>>> who just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force to pay the >>>>>> same amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices? Why should the kid >>>>>> willing to buy his game on a disc be forced to pay the same as the guy >>>>>> who >>>>>> doesn't want to get up off the couch to change a disc? >>>>>> Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top >>>>>> notch fast and reliable service at a single low price. The electric >>>>>> company gets to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per >>>>>> person, the cell phone company charges per device, cable/satellite >>>>>> charges >>>>>> per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put limits on the >>>>>> number >>>>>> of people that can stream per account. Why is it when we ask a heavy >>>>>> user >>>>>> to pay their fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy >>>>>> bastards? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Best regards, >>>>>> Mark <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> mailto: >>>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> <http://www.MyakkaTech.com> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life >>>>>> <http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL> >>>>>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL >>>>>> >>>>>> Please Donate at Please Donate at <http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html> >>>>>> http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the >>>>>> problem. The customer still purchased a game they want to download, or >>>>>> they >>>>>> have a 4K TV they want to watch movies on. Most people are just going to >>>>>> look for other options if they have to pay every time they try to use a >>>>>> device in their household, and even if people are willing to pay, you >>>>>> still >>>>>> have to be able to deliver enough service to them to give them the speeds >>>>>> they want. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much better >>>>>> solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game downloads, and >>>>>> prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there was a better option, >>>>>> but I really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to this problem. >>>>>> It >>>>>> may give you more money to build up your network a bit, but it is poison >>>>>> to >>>>>> most customer's ears, and it won't change their behavior that much unless >>>>>> it's extremely painful for them financially. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> metered billing.. wave of the future >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett < <mailto: >>>>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 4:1 >>>>>> oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def streaming without >>>>>> complaint. >>>>>> As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will approach 1:1. >>>>>> You'll have to either start supplying 100meg, or start billing for >>>>>> consumption....or jack the price way up. >>>>>> >>>>>> They were looking only at streaming video trends, and didn't even >>>>>> consider stuff like this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Jeremy" < <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: 6/21/2017 1:03:09 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, this sucks for us. Even worse, many of these games come out >>>>>> with dual licenses so that you can play on Windows 10 or XB1 for the same >>>>>> purchase. I bought a couple games and checked it out. It was amazing to >>>>>> be able to just continue my Halo Wars right where I left off on my >>>>>> laptop, >>>>>> but it was double the download size. This makes Forza potentially 200GB, >>>>>> without DLC. When you are providing customers 300-500GB per month >>>>>> without >>>>>> overages it makes heavy Xbox customers very quickly switch providers. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> not sure if that is a blessing or a curse. For now, it has not been a >>>>>> gigantic churn issue for us, but the future of 4K content will likely hit >>>>>> us all pretty hard. >>>>>> My main issue with this is that purchasing a disc is not an option. >>>>>> I initially bought discs, only to find that even after ripping them to >>>>>> the >>>>>> hard drive, I have to walk down to the network closet to insert the disc. >>>>>> Digitally purchased games can just be loaded from a menu, like all of the >>>>>> hacked consoles. There is no option to 'upgrade' to a digital license if >>>>>> you have purchased a disc. Also, if you own multiple Xbox One consoles >>>>>> (say at home and at work), you can play any of your games on either >>>>>> console, at any time, just not simultaneously. Discs are now useless to >>>>>> me. The only way to get this digital license is to download it from the >>>>>> Internet (or hack the console...not yet an option). This has been a big >>>>>> bummer to heavy Xbox users when they get hit with massive overages, and >>>>>> they usually switch to Comcast. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke < <mailto: >>>>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This will be the new normal with the next generation Xbox, when many >>>>>> customers start bringing them home... >>>>>> <https://m.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_wi >>>>>> ll_be_100gb_download> https://m.hardocp.com/news/201 >>>>>> 7/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_will_be_100gb_download >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Simon Westlake >>>>>> Email: <mailto:simon@sonar.software> simon@sonar.software >>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA >>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>> The future of ISP billing and OSS >>>>>> <https://sonar.software> https://sonar.software >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >>
