Because you can discriminate based on traffic type except in the case of reasonable network management. Not to mention you will block every single telework user in the process, along with many other types of content riding on that tunnel.
I'll say this, I would not be the one to want to try an explain "I block VPNs" to the FCC. You can have fun with that all you want. On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > All of that is very true Eric and I completely agree with you. However, > Josh said it was illegal and I was pointing out that it is expressly legal > to do per the FCC NN rules. It's not smart or efficient at fixing the > problem but it is legal to do. > > -Sean > > > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> you go right ahead and do DPI / deprioritize all TLS type traffic, that >> is something I would highly encourage any of my competitors to do... Since >> a huge % of web traffic is https now, netflix is https/tls1.2, youtube is >> https/tls1.2, etc, all you would accomplish is hurting everyone's >> throughput for all of the most common websites and applications. >> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >>> how is it illegal? FCC says we can manage our networks as needed. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And illegal. >>>> >>>> - Josh >>>> >>>> On Jun 22, 2017 11:22 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We go from bad idea to worse? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:15:11 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>> >>>>> Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if >>>>> the customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with it >>>>> off? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to >>>>>> track their specific usage. We tell them that their are routers like the >>>>>> Fortigate which can track usage, but that we do not support those >>>>>> devices. >>>>>> I tell them that I think the new Torch router does it too, but that we >>>>>> have >>>>>> no experience with these devices. "The only way that we track which >>>>>> websites are visited and what you are doing on the Internet is with a >>>>>> warrant or an order from the Department of Justice". We stand behind our >>>>>> usage tracking, and if they do not want to pay the bill then they can >>>>>> find >>>>>> another provider. We have lost two or three customers over four years >>>>>> who >>>>>> refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending those ones to >>>>>> collections. We just go and collect our equipment and write it off as >>>>>> bad >>>>>> debt. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's an interesting point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com; "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> >>>>>>> Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had >>>>>>>> to pay surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family >>>>>>>> member, what IP is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> Akamai ... >>>>>>>> You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a >>>>>>>> view Euros. I am sure this service times cost us more money than the >>>>>>>> customers had to pay surplus. We have to do flat pricing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +0000 >>>>>>>> "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This industry is in trouble. Nobody wants usage based billing. >>>>>>>>> Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons. ISP’s are afraid to >>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>> it for fear of losing customers. If you lose money on an account is >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> really an asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have >>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment. They seem to have an >>>>>>>>> automated >>>>>>>>> process to adjust rates that will force off the heavy users. Our >>>>>>>>> industry >>>>>>>>> will not get respect until it asks for it. UBB or UBRA (New term I >>>>>>>>> coined) >>>>>>>>> is the way …. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >>>>>>>>> Technologies >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Simon, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing. >>>>>>>>> Does the baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie? The >>>>>>>>> best way >>>>>>>>> I can put it is renting an apartment with utilities included. If I'm >>>>>>>>> renting an apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to >>>>>>>>> be set >>>>>>>>> at 68 24/7. The cat will be very comfortable all day, why should I >>>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>>> However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal with 78 >>>>>>>>> during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still >>>>>>>>> expensive. Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to >>>>>>>>> handle >>>>>>>>> the higher bandwidth internally. >>>>>>>>> 4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080 or 720 TV's. Why should >>>>>>>>> someone who is willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be >>>>>>>>> forced >>>>>>>>> to pay the same as that guy that wants to watch in 4K. Why should a >>>>>>>>> single >>>>>>>>> person who just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force >>>>>>>>> to pay >>>>>>>>> the same amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices? Why should >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> kid willing to buy his game on a disc be forced to pay the same as >>>>>>>>> the guy >>>>>>>>> who doesn't want to get up off the couch to change a disc? >>>>>>>>> Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a >>>>>>>>> top notch fast and reliable service at a single low price. The >>>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>>> company gets to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per >>>>>>>>> person, the cell phone company charges per device, cable/satellite >>>>>>>>> charges >>>>>>>>> per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put limits on the >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> of people that can stream per account. Why is it when we ask a heavy >>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>> to pay their fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy >>>>>>>>> bastards? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Mark <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> mailto: >>>>>>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>>> <http://www.MyakkaTech.com> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life >>>>>>>>> <http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL> >>>>>>>>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please Donate at Please Donate at <http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL >>>>>>>>> .html> http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the >>>>>>>>> problem. The customer still purchased a game they want to download, >>>>>>>>> or they >>>>>>>>> have a 4K TV they want to watch movies on. Most people are just going >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> look for other options if they have to pay every time they try to use >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> device in their household, and even if people are willing to pay, you >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> have to be able to deliver enough service to them to give them the >>>>>>>>> speeds >>>>>>>>> they want. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much >>>>>>>>> better solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game >>>>>>>>> downloads, and prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there >>>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>>> better option, but I really don't think implementing UBB is a >>>>>>>>> solution to >>>>>>>>> this problem. It may give you more money to build up your network a >>>>>>>>> bit, >>>>>>>>> but it is poison to most customer's ears, and it won't change their >>>>>>>>> behavior that much unless it's extremely painful for them financially. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> metered billing.. wave of the future >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett < <mailto: >>>>>>>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 4:1 >>>>>>>>> oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def streaming without >>>>>>>>> complaint. >>>>>>>>> As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will approach 1:1. >>>>>>>>> You'll have to either start supplying 100meg, or start billing for >>>>>>>>> consumption....or jack the price way up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They were looking only at streaming video trends, and didn't even >>>>>>>>> consider stuff like this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>> From: "Jeremy" < <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: 6/21/2017 1:03:09 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, this sucks for us. Even worse, many of these games come out >>>>>>>>> with dual licenses so that you can play on Windows 10 or XB1 for the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> purchase. I bought a couple games and checked it out. It was >>>>>>>>> amazing to >>>>>>>>> be able to just continue my Halo Wars right where I left off on my >>>>>>>>> laptop, >>>>>>>>> but it was double the download size. This makes Forza potentially >>>>>>>>> 200GB, >>>>>>>>> without DLC. When you are providing customers 300-500GB per month >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> overages it makes heavy Xbox customers very quickly switch providers. >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> not sure if that is a blessing or a curse. For now, it has not been a >>>>>>>>> gigantic churn issue for us, but the future of 4K content will likely >>>>>>>>> hit >>>>>>>>> us all pretty hard. >>>>>>>>> My main issue with this is that purchasing a disc is not an >>>>>>>>> option. I initially bought discs, only to find that even after >>>>>>>>> ripping >>>>>>>>> them to the hard drive, I have to walk down to the network closet to >>>>>>>>> insert >>>>>>>>> the disc. Digitally purchased games can just be loaded from a menu, >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> all of the hacked consoles. There is no option to 'upgrade' to a >>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>> license if you have purchased a disc. Also, if you own multiple Xbox >>>>>>>>> One >>>>>>>>> consoles (say at home and at work), you can play any of your games on >>>>>>>>> either console, at any time, just not simultaneously. Discs are now >>>>>>>>> useless to me. The only way to get this digital license is to >>>>>>>>> download it >>>>>>>>> from the Internet (or hack the console...not yet an option). This >>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>> a big bummer to heavy Xbox users when they get hit with massive >>>>>>>>> overages, >>>>>>>>> and they usually switch to Comcast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke < <mailto: >>>>>>>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This will be the new normal with the next generation Xbox, when >>>>>>>>> many customers start bringing them home... >>>>>>>>> <https://m.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_wi >>>>>>>>> ll_be_100gb_download> https://m.hardocp.com/news/201 >>>>>>>>> 7/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_will_be_100gb_download >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>> Email: <mailto:simon@sonar.software> simon@sonar.software >>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA >>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>> The future of ISP billing and OSS >>>>>>>>> <https://sonar.software> https://sonar.software >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >
