It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
where the culprit is. I've started taking a pistol on my late night
service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
day or night.
Robert Haas wrote:
I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
not respond to after hours alone or otherwise. I do not carry during
normal business hours.
For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
--
We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
with our logo.
The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
service his location..
--
The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
going to blow his head off.
--
I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a bat.
--
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.
alot is dependent on area. Urban, most definitely allow for self
defense weapons withing local applicable law. If you have a 2A guy who
gets harmed and you have a policy disallowing self defense, then thats
a liability, then again so is a yahoo with a gun in your truck.
We go into too many banks and schools, and other prohibited location,
i would not carry at work
I do however always have a 36 inch 1 7/8 water pipe for discussions
and conflict resolution
Training itself is another liability, say you offer self defense
training to your guys, and one of them beats some mope to a pulp, you
trained him to do that, even though its well outside the scope of a
self defense class. Then again, dont train him and have a mope beat
him to a pulp, theres liability in that too.
I have a tech right now who may spar with a customer we have to go out
to over the customers recent antics. Im trying to get the boss to get
him a gladiator outfit and helmet. Nobody will start stuff with a guy
dressed like a gladiator, its best to just eliminate the issue before
it even starts.
Get everybody a gladiator helmet, maybe let them carry a cudgel, or a
shillelagh
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Gun control is pretty political...
Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to
have.
*From:*Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.
LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
making the video).
And so you are in agreement that :-
"If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to
defend themselves"
Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection /
Confrontation Mitigation.
Call cops.
Duck for cover.
Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.
*From:*Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection /
Confrontation Mitigation.
Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance...
We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP
for them, under such circumstances ?
What type of training do we need to provide to assure
everyone's safety ?
What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *"Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
trucks
YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related
site that we have re-established. We all have opinions, but…
Paul 😊
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
trucks
Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is
very political, like global warming, evolution and the
flat earth.
All of which should be discussed on other forums as they
have nothing to do with operating a WISP.
We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall.
*From:*Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
trucks
one last question...
>> for this political BS
Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is
"political" ?
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option
2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *"Dustin Jurman" <dus...@rseng.net
<mailto:dus...@rseng.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T
bucket trucks
That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this
list. There were a lot of great things you could have
stated here:
Was AT&T on the guys property without permission?
Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is
shooting the tires out.
Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls
get shot out
How the ground guys handled the situation
If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the
right to defend themselves
You get where I’m going but this list has no place for
this political BS. The sad part is you sent this to
the list.
Dustin
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs.
AT&T bucket trucks
Welcome to Miami
http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/
-----------------
Here is the sad reality....
Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested..
If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person
most likely would have been shot on sight by the Cops.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:05:33 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs.
AT&T bucket trucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYUJa3rsEU
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