Well, what can you do? Educate as many people about the nature of the status quo and viable alternatives: cooperative monetary systems which allow for a #basicincome for every person and thus the transcendence of systemic poverty, fear, materialism, our ego-centric culture, the work-for-income paradigm, etc., etc. ... Tell people that not having a job is still more productive and way less harmful for our society and biosphere than 95% of all existing jobs which only serve the purpose of prolonging the status quo. Or if you are very lucky and privileged create your own post-scarcity/post-materialism community if you can?

I have tried to do that for 15+ years and had little success. The rate of radicalization is way greater than the rate at which you can "generate" people who really understand what's going on. Just look at the demonstrations all around the world. They all still completely miss the point. How can you overcome a system which nobody understands and which has been literally killing billions of people over the course of thousands of years? I have no idea and that's why AGI might be our only hope ...

On 03/03/2019 20:45, Steve Richfield wrote:
Justcamel,

So, what do you suggest doing about it? It seems necessary to believe there is an advantage to working to bother doing anything. Doing anything involved borrowing against the future, even if only eating wampum you have gathered and stored to feed you for the day.

What are the alternatives?

Steve

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 11:27 justcamel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    All that matters is that compound interest creates artificial
    scarcity
    by _ALWAYS_ demanding more money back than ever was created. This
    process is destroying us, our minds and sanity, our society,
    culture and
    biosphere ... regardless of what you think it was designed for.

    And by the way ... if you read the internal papers of the central
    bankers who implemented the current monetary system (and it really
    doesn't matter ... any monetary system based on positive interest is
    just as criminal and destructive and it's been that way for 5000+
    years
    ... just read "Debt - the first 5000 years." by David Graeber) you
    will
    see quite clearly that they were fully aware of most of the
    implications
    the system would have on society. They probably didn't understand the
    whole #bullshitjobs, anti-economy and climate change implications
    back
    then ... but their incentive was highly and purely criminal.

    It was designed to extract all wealth from the vast majority of the
    population ... either directly via debt, via debt slavery, via
    dispossession of individuals (foreclosures, etc.) or even entire
    countries ... like it's happening all around the world ...

    It was designed to systematically destroy the vast majority of
    people in
    a slow and steady fashion that would not spark widespread resistance.
    You only want to destroy the most "unfortunate" lowest 1-2% at any
    given
    time ... while keeping the rest of the population under control via
    systemic fear. There are even papers of central bankers which
    elaborate
    how a "healthy" population of homeless people serves the key
    purpose of
    instilling enough systemic fear to keep the rest paralysed ...

    "The few who could understand the system will either be so
    interested in
    its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no
    opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great
    body of
    the people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous
    advantage
    that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without
    complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is
    inimical to their interests." -- John Sherman, Rothschild ... and
    that
    quote is the most harmless of them all.

    That's what our monetary system was designed for ...

    On 03/03/2019 19:50, Costi Dumitrescu wrote:
    > The money system is designed so

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