Justcamel, The cure, if there is one, must be at least as powerful as the disease, e.g. workable by a small number of people working in obscurity.
I have a DIY near-proposal, in the form of checks made out in standard denominations, made out to Cash, but with a bonus for holding them long into the future. You would print and use them like a cross between checks and cash, the distinction being determined later as people decide what to do with them. The upper left corner would look like the corners of money, and they would have a magnetic stripe on the bottom. Steve On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 11:57 justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, what can you do? Educate as many people about the nature of the > status quo and viable alternatives: cooperative monetary systems which > allow for a #basicincome for every person and thus the transcendence of > systemic poverty, fear, materialism, our ego-centric culture, the > work-for-income paradigm, etc., etc. ... Tell people that not having a job > is still more productive and way less harmful for our society and biosphere > than 95% of all existing jobs which only serve the purpose of prolonging > the status quo. Or if you are very lucky and privileged create your own > post-scarcity/post-materialism community if you can? > > I have tried to do that for 15+ years and had little success. The rate of > radicalization is way greater than the rate at which you can "generate" > people who really understand what's going on. Just look at the > demonstrations all around the world. They all still completely miss the > point. How can you overcome a system which nobody understands and which has > been literally killing billions of people over the course of thousands of > years? I have no idea and that's why AGI might be our only hope ... > On 03/03/2019 20:45, Steve Richfield wrote: > > Justcamel, > > So, what do you suggest doing about it? It seems necessary to believe > there is an advantage to working to bother doing anything. Doing anything > involved borrowing against the future, even if only eating wampum you have > gathered and stored to feed you for the day. > > What are the alternatives? > > Steve > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 11:27 justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> All that matters is that compound interest creates artificial scarcity >> by _ALWAYS_ demanding more money back than ever was created. This >> process is destroying us, our minds and sanity, our society, culture and >> biosphere ... regardless of what you think it was designed for. >> >> And by the way ... if you read the internal papers of the central >> bankers who implemented the current monetary system (and it really >> doesn't matter ... any monetary system based on positive interest is >> just as criminal and destructive and it's been that way for 5000+ years >> ... just read "Debt - the first 5000 years." by David Graeber) you will >> see quite clearly that they were fully aware of most of the implications >> the system would have on society. They probably didn't understand the >> whole #bullshitjobs, anti-economy and climate change implications back >> then ... but their incentive was highly and purely criminal. >> >> It was designed to extract all wealth from the vast majority of the >> population ... either directly via debt, via debt slavery, via >> dispossession of individuals (foreclosures, etc.) or even entire >> countries ... like it's happening all around the world ... >> >> It was designed to systematically destroy the vast majority of people in >> a slow and steady fashion that would not spark widespread resistance. >> You only want to destroy the most "unfortunate" lowest 1-2% at any given >> time ... while keeping the rest of the population under control via >> systemic fear. There are even papers of central bankers which elaborate >> how a "healthy" population of homeless people serves the key purpose of >> instilling enough systemic fear to keep the rest paralysed ... >> >> "The few who could understand the system will either be so interested in >> its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no >> opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of >> the people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage >> that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without >> complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is >> inimical to their interests." -- John Sherman, Rothschild ... and that >> quote is the most harmless of them all. >> >> That's what our monetary system was designed for ... >> >> On 03/03/2019 19:50, Costi Dumitrescu wrote: >> > The money system is designed so > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tbefabf50a1da4070-M62c73a59b49a3ce2be2de3d9> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tbefabf50a1da4070-M605eb7e584c50ff80be6af67 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
