COLIN> computed fire physics studies fire but does not make fire. SERGIO> Of course not. But it can predict fire pretty well.
Sergio. From: Colin Geoffrey Hales [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:15 PM To: AGI Subject: RE: [agi] Embodied approaches to computation Is the article about studying computational models of cognition (weak-AI), or making an artificial brain (strong-AI) with computation. The same way computed fire physics studies fire but does not make fire. You can interpret it the way you want. Watch out. A strong-AI presupposition cannot be used to bypass the reality that the real brain gets experiences from the real physics of brain tissue, not from I/O signals (whether there is embodiment or not). I know this shakes the AGI community tree. This will not go away as a weakness in the discussion until we all face up to it. To build an AGI you must build the physics of a brain, not the physics of a computer. Cheers, Colin PS. No, physics is not digital, The C-T thesis is irrelevant/misapplied, cognition is not computation and Moore's law won't fix any of these shortfalls (preemptive rebuttal). Sorry. From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 8:58 AM To: AGI Subject: [agi] Embodied approaches to computation Pezzulo, G., Barsalou, L.W., Cangelosi, A., Fischer, M.A., McRae, K., Spivey, M. (2011). <http://psychology.emory.edu/cognition/barsalou/papers/Pezzulo%20et%20al%20- %20Frontiers%20Psych%202011-%20embodiment%20&%20computation.pdf> The mechanics of embodiment: A dialogue on embodiment and computational modeling. Frontiers in Cognition, 2(5), 1-21. Embodied theories are increasingly challenging traditional views of cognition by arguing that conceptual representations that constitute our knowledge are grounded in sensory and motor experiences, and processed at this sensorimotor level, rather than being represented and processed abstractly in an amodal conceptual system. Given the established empirical foundation, and the relatively underspecified theories to date, many researchers are extremely interested in embodied cognition but are clamoring for more mechanistic implementations... http://psychology.emory.edu/cognition/barsalou/papers/Pezzulo%20et%20al%20-% 20Frontiers%20Psych%202011-%20embodiment%20 <http://psychology.emory.edu/cognition/barsalou/papers/Pezzulo%20et%20al%20- %20Frontiers%20Psych%202011-%20embodiment%20&%20computation.pdf> &%20computation.pdf AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-f886df0a> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; ad2> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
