Mike,
Maybe it can't predict the shape of a *particular* flame. But it can help us to understand the principles of flames. Once we know the principles, we can use them in different ways, for example to build *internal* combustion engines and jet engines. Heuristics can help to do that only *after* we know the principle. So how about we try to understand the principle of intelligence. If we succeed, then we will be able to use that principle, and all the heuristics of the world, to build intelligent systems. You know my proposal: causality, inference. Sergio From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:37 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Embodied approaches to computation COLIN> computed fire physics studies fire but does not make fire. SERGIO> Of course not. But it can predict fire pretty well. Sergio, To hot-link to the other thread... it can predict the SHAPE of flames? <http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/4083/4083,1135650218,1/ stock-photo-close-up-of-fire-and-flames-on-a-black-background-huge-file-8370 32.jpg> http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/4083/4083,1135650218,1/s tock-photo-close-up-of-fire-and-flames-on-a-black-background-huge-file-83703 2.jpg Fractal flames are not the same thing. (And if you've followed the other thread, I'm arguing that embodied mind generally - and embodied computation - are/must be directed by shapes - by "getting into shape". Lakoff/Barsalou's image schemas - which are inspiring embodied approaches to computation - are fluid, "fiery" *shapes*) AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; ad2> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
