On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: > Ben, > > If you, Boris et al wish to be Don Quixote's who refuse to subject their > ideas/systems to any real, empirical test, (a la Don Q), that is your > right.
But Mike, we *are* building real systems and experimenting with them and improving them as we go along -- we are not armchair theorists. It just takes time to proceed with this sort of work... like with many other things in the history of science and engineering... ben g > But the point I made is a good one, & needs insisting on. It is indeed > immoral for an AGI curriculum to lead others into similar ways without > providing some health warning. A proper technological field should have an > insistence on empirical testing. Yours signally *doesn't*. It's psi in more > ways than one. > > You can indeed lead others to waste years of their lives - and yes, that is > immoral. And your (I presume) subconscious recognition of this is why you > responded so emotionally & extensively. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ben Goertzel" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:18 PM > > To: "AGI" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [agi] The Visual Alphabet > >> Mike, >> >>> You're in the v. unusual position of starting in a field which has no >>> substantive foundations whatsoever - (and is crying out for *new* ideas). >>> And people who do not tell you that upfront and every day, are >>> irresponsibly >>> and immorally leading you astray. >> >> >> Finally I see the light !!! >> >> Bowing to the weight of your crushing moral critique, I now see the >> immorality >> of my old ways!!! >> >> Nevermore will I preach the false doctrine of AGI !! >> >> From this moment onwards, I will preach only patchworks, patchabilities, >> and the ineffable non-rational morphological mutabilities of raindrops !! >> >> I see now that only a "Bio-bot" made of real biological cells could ever >> achieve >> human-like intelligence, because these biological cells possess a unique >> capability to intuitively and imaginatively comprehend the >> non-morphological >> mutabilities and magickological beautabilities of the snowflakes, the >> raindrops, the trees and the pretty little flowers... not to mention >> Bambi, >> one must never forget Bambi !!!! ... >> >> I understand now that algorithms and computer software can never produce >> true intelligence, because they can only rearrange what has been provided >> to them by human programmers. Rather, true general intelligence must be >> produced by biological cells whose trans-rational shape-ological >> shimmerings >> are able to trans-logically enter into infinite varieties of cosmic dances >> in intimate communion with the biological and physical world with which >> they intersect !!! >> >> I hereby retract all my previous statements and writings about AGI.... I >> will >> abandon the OpenCog project and prostrate myself abjectly before the >> shrine >> of the most holy and meta-beauteous biological raindrop !!! >> >> Mike Tintner, you are my savior !!! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-11ac2389 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
