Yes, Boris. You still have ways to go. You do. Sergio
-----Original Message----- From: Boris Kazachenko [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 1:49 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The Visual Alphabet I thought I lost my faith in humanity long time ago... But this list keeps reminding me that I still have ways to go. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sergio Pissanetzky" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:27 PM To: "AGI" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [agi] The Visual Alphabet > MIKE SAID> But the point I made is a good one, & needs insisting on. > It is indeed immoral for an AGI curriculum to lead others into similar > ways without providing some health warning. > MIKE SAID> You can indeed lead others to waste years of their lives - > and yes, that is immoral. > SERGIO REPLIES> You are right, except that Ben is convinced he is on > the right track and therefore not immoral. I also admire your > persistence even when confronting formidable adversaries. You do have > a point, you can't explain it very clearly, but you keep trying. > That's honorable. Don't give up (but don't waste too much of our time). > > BEN SAID> we *are* building real systems and experimenting with them > and improving them as we go along. > SERGIO REPLIES> This work is narrow AI, and will never result in AGI. > I support your work because it accumulates experience and will be > useful to compare with AGI results. To obtain AGI, you must study the > simplicity underlying the complexity of systems. Then you will be able > to understand the complexity. If you limit yourself to studying the > complexity, then, all you get is more and more complexity. > > BEN SAID>It just takes time ... like with many other things in the > history of science and engineering... > SERGIO REPLIES> Of course. But it always takes one man, with one idea, > to change all that. Make sure that you are ready for that. > > > Sergio > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:31 AM > To: AGI > Subject: Re: [agi] The Visual Alphabet > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Mike Tintner > <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Ben, >> >> If you, Boris et al wish to be Don Quixote's who refuse to subject >> their ideas/systems to any real, empirical test, (a la Don Q), that >> is your right. > > But Mike, we *are* building real systems and experimenting with them > and improving them as we go along -- we are not armchair theorists. > It just takes time to proceed with this sort of work... like with many > other things in the history of science and engineering... > > ben g > > >> But the point I made is a good one, & needs insisting on. It is >> indeed immoral for an AGI curriculum to lead others into similar ways >> without providing some health warning. A proper technological field >> should have an insistence on empirical testing. Yours signally *doesn't*. >> It's psi in more ways than one. >> >> You can indeed lead others to waste years of their lives - and yes, >> that is immoral. And your (I presume) subconscious recognition of >> this is why you responded so emotionally & extensively. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18407320-d9907b69 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; d2 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
