On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected]> wrote: There is no geometry, > addition, multiplication, axes, planes, rotations, etc. All that has to be > learned just like you and
I have myself written a couple of paragraphs on the many possible starting points of an intelligence architecture, with the most agnostic ones being something akin to "total synthesis" in chemistry, for example to start from 5 elements and end up with complex proteins. The lower the starting point, the more it becomes like trying to create a human being from charcoal and water. On the other hand, we do have examples of humans who managed to understand our world, develop language etc, while missing 99% of the datastream average people have (deaf and blind babies) - their effort is very much a total synthesis, so it can be done if you have a brain. Can it be done if you have a pentium? It looks like our answers differ. Of course the world does not have "geometry". Geometry is a theory that helped Euclid, Archimedes and people like him to find how much paint and wood they need to build a house or a boat. So interaction with the world was necessary but not sufficient, otherwise my grandma would be drawing isosceles triangles. But the discovery of knowledge is only verified as knowledge by repetition both personally and socially, it really depends on the majority's ability to follow an algorithm and reach the same results as you. Then every now and then appears someone who follows the algorithm and reaches new results, or who modifies the algorithm - deciding who is in error and who is a revolutionary scientist is intractable, probably also random and incomprehensible. Flat earth etc. I am assuming you are building a proto-scientist. There is a way to drop it in the deep end of scientific endeavour: you can turn it loose on a major website, ideally with a lot of non-expiring content and a lot of updates, like news.bbc.co.uk . That would be the input. Sadly for output you have to limit yourself to occasional "visitors comments" by your system, and see how long it takes for a reasonable comment. On a Pentium LOL. Or your system may end up hacking the BBC, by submitting poisoned SQL and HTTP queries and controlling the free world, you never know. But can you find the "right" invariants without interaction, only by observation? A bit like our friend Matt wants to understand the world by compressing audio, video and text? I think it can't be done, and if it can it will take an extra 2 billion years (on an Itanium!). AT ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
