It's the same deal. If you're talking about an *existing* manipulation of a
parse tree, then that's not creative. There are no new elements any more
than in any basic mathematical calculation. My calculator may never have
actually multiplied 5601834 x 803678, but the "new" result is the same old
numbers in the same old combinations.
If you're talking about the *creation* of this manipulation technique in the
first place, then that wasn't algorithmic and couldn't be creative. And
you're left with my challenge to you, Jim, John, Matt et al -
- take any math creative problem, any Clay prob if you wish - wh. by
definition will require new elements to be discovered - and show how an algo
can be applied to its solution.
Or if it that's too hard, show how an algo can be applied to this minor
creative number prob:
- - take four matches from thirteen, so that you are left with ten
(Maybe you misunderstood - mathematicians are highly creative - it's the
formulae they create that aren't).
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Grimes
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:53 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Behold your saviour, Ben
If you give a man a fish, he can eat for a day.
If you teach him to fish, he can eat for a lifetime...
I've told you what I need you to do; do it.
dooo iiiiit!!!!! =P
Mike Tintner wrote:
ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE.
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Grimes
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:58 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Behold your saviour, Ben
Mike Tintner wrote:
Absolutely. All mathematical and logical and algorithmic systems (in
themselves) are completely, eternally non-creative, non-generative. They
are all dead recipes with rigid rules that have never and could never
produce a single new ingredient or element - because quite obviously
they are not designed to be creative. They are recipes with set,
exclusive mixtures of ingredients.
What I need you to do is to obtain some books on theoretical computer
science and compilers (I can suggest some titles if you need them...).
Basically, what creativity does is manipulate the parse tree at some
intermediate level so that, instead of being purely random (quadrillions
of permutations), you only have to chose from maybe a few hundred
alternatives, making it easy to home in on what you're looking for. But
yeah, you need to learn about how mathematical languages work...
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