John G. Rose <[email protected]> wrote: The core of functional creativity though could be that ability to variationally morph chains of projective operational modeling -----------------
Well this is one of the roles of metaphors. To say that some thing or some effect is like some thing or some effect in another domain is to enable the thinker to think about something new. So if you don't know what I mean by conceptual relativism, for example, I can start to explain that is like philosophical relativism. By learning how people mistake what my metaphor was meant to evoke I can add corrections or further meaning. Yes, I say, (in response to something Loosemore said) concepts are *related* but by *relativism* I go a step further and say that a concept that we have in mind may operate differently when we use it in another context. So, for example, not only can word-concepts be categorized according to some pre-conceived scheme of characterization, but they can also be used in a characterization of other word concepts. That is an example of conceptual relativism, and by understanding conceptual relativism, you can enable a method to evoke a way to get people to think outside the box - if they choose to take that step. The problem with the use of a concept-word like "metaphor" is that it can be used in a pre-conceived scheme to categorize concepts just as well as it can be used to produce genuine novelty in one's thinking. Here I am saying that the real value of the concept of "metaphor" is that it can be used to help people - or computers - to think in novel ways. Jim Bromer On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, John G. Rose <[email protected]>wrote: > The term Creativity is very umbrella. It can require an observer but I > think > an agent might exhibit creativity to itself within its current library of > states and actions. It just might execute less probable sequences in an > effort to progress through regions of non-routine complexity AI'ishly. > > Radical novelty though also could be exhibited with one observer, the agent > itself. In that case the agent might require a capability for variance in > the modeling perspective of the observed creativity. > > Then creativity might only be an observational thing where an observer > looks > at one splattering of paint and deems it creative where another random > splattering is not. > > The core of functional creativity though could be that ability to > variationally morph chains of projective operational modeling while > computationally injecting outcomes predictively and potentially until a > remote focus is achieved. So if the agent is usually operating within one > general set of cycles and then reorients the projective foci in such a way > in an attempt to match the perceived focal rhythm of a modeled group set, > that's including permuting the perceived operational characteristics where > computational structures are fetched from other non-or semi-related domains > and infused... "fetched" or "emerged"... > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Far from new and radical, the view you're presenting is very familiar to > me > > (and everyone else in the AGI field), we just don't agree with it > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-164650b2 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
