Jim, I wasn't bragging about my research -- just expressing amusement that YOU, the recipient of breakthrough (yet never quite forthcoming) mathematical proofs from God, were passing judgment that the researchers at the AGI conference aren't worth taking seriously ;p
As for evidence, yeah I understand how to assess evidence. In my work in bioinformatics and finance, for instance, I have no trouble assessing empirical evidence for hypotheses. AGI is a different sort of endeavor, in my opinion, because the steps required to find evidence validating an hypothesis like "OpenCog can lead to human-level general intelligence" are very complex and lengthy to undertake. Incremental proof of progress is hard to come by, for reasons I have mused on in http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/why-is-evaluating-partial-progress.html -- Ben G On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > I am glad you responded. > > First of all I do not think that your research is anything to brag about. > > If you actually tried to understand what I had said, you'd acknowledge > that I kept repeating the fact that I was trying to make the case that > > -It was so unlikely that I would actually find a polynomial time solution > to Boolean Satisfiability that: > -Figuring it out would constitute rational evidence supporting the view > that I did receive some divine guidance on the effort. > -But if I did not then it would obviously constitute rational evidence > that I did not. > > I believe that the fact that you missed the "rational evidence" part is > telling because that is exactly my criticism of your research and the weak > criteria for the selection of the papers for the conference and the lack > of wise advice that you offer your supporters. I am not saying that you > don't know anything but it is very clear that you do not know how to > evaluate evidence. Years and years of actual research where > you believed that you knew the answers so well so that you could write > paper after paper elaborating your theories without anything to show is > less than inspiring. Sorry for being unpleasant about this but I am not > the one who has shown blatant prejudice against rational methods. > > It is true that I have written message after message where I thought that > I had some valuable insight but I haven't disregarded the evidence. For > example, Watson and contemporary search engine technology have gone way > beyond anything you have worked on. The idea that you can declare them > "narrow AI" as if your proclamation proved the validity of some of the > crackpot ideas that you have advanced is a good example where the inability > to recognize the value of evidence has interfered with your judgement. > > Jim Bromer > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hmmm... the dude who has repeatedly filled my inbox with ideas about how " >> the Lord gave me some guidance on my effort to find a polynomial time >> solution to Boolean Satisfiability," and so forth -- thinks I and the rest >> of the academic/industry AGI research community can't be taken seriously >> >> hmmm... ;p >> >> ... ben g >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You guys can't be taken seriously. >>> Jim Bromer >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> > The majority of papers offer design proposals or prove mathematical >>>> > theorems somehow related to intelligence. They all make strong >>>> > arguments for their case, but we really don't know if the methods are >>>> > useful or not. >>>> >>>> Yes, that's fair. AGI is still at an early stage and most research is >>>> exploratory. However, we're in a time of rapid exponential advancement, >>>> so the passage for early to mature stages of a technology can sometimes >>>> occur faster than expected ... this may be the case with AGI over the >>>> next >>>> decade ;) >>>> >>>> -- Ben G >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> AGI >>>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>>> RSS Feed: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-470149cf >>>> >>>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-470149cf> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
