The whole chastity and self control thing in Buddhism is a cultural relic from India. Horrible, really, It is entirely possible to be enlightened and be non-monk-like. But it's unusual. And you seldom would find a Buddhist admitting that it could happen.
As for non-attachment being a path to "friendly" AI. I'm going to have to say, that is wrong and dangerous. Sociopath wrong. It would make a system even less controllable as well as very hard to understand. Now, sure, you might hope they are not such starving, greedy, self-absorbed creatures like most people out there, but with no needs, they'd be kind of useless. andi Can I help? On May 2, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow, ya > well I can certainly say we are wired differently. > > For instance I'm highly monogamous, in terms that I require a life partner of > some kind to kinda continue being. > Though I guess we are all social organisms so that is true for everyone in a > way. > > At one point where I was out of a relationship, I went completely coo coo > bananas, and had several immaginary girl friends, and some scary alter ego, > similar to the pre-enlightenment testing or what not that the Buddha went > through. > > Though I guess reflecting back on it now, the imaginary ones started er > "taunting" me before the end of my previous relationship, perhaps borne out > of the dissatisfaction of being with an overweight girlfriend that wasn't > pale enough for my taste, while at the same time valuing monogamy so highly > that I couldn't bring myself to leave her, so simply went insane instead. > > Anyways ironically enough, once that relationship ended, and I managed to > overcome the trepidations, and cut off the imaginary companions. I got into a > new relationship and it's been going great ever since :-D -- 4 years and soon > a baby. > > Now I'm all big on buddhist non-attachment, but it actually turns out that > while it's good in moderation, it can be counter-productive if done to > excess at least in relationships. > Partners have to feel needed, and appreciated in some way, > otherwise they may feel dissatisfied and stray from the relation, > and thereby there must be an attachment formed to them, > in order to maintain the relationship, both during smooth sailing, > and stormy/bumpy weather or what have you. > > Anyways ya, > so middle path and all :-). > > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Chris Nolan <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ben, >> >> that's an interesting concept. From my reading of Buddhism is also seems >> like non-attachment in meditation is also often linked with metta practice, >> or compassion meditation to state it in a simplified way. Have you looked at >> any of the neuroscience papers on that practice? In the simple example you >> supply of "Bob" detaching from his girlfriend the practice would be not just >> "letting go of the suffering of the break-up" but also adding a compassion >> practice for ex-girlfriend, in this way the Buddhist practice would be >> developing non-attachment in conjunction with compassion for the individual >> and their choice. In this way an individual avoids just falling into the >> trap of avoiding suffering and so getting caught by it even more. Side note: >> as someone having been in a number of break-ups I've found it works better >> than just trying to detach, haha... >> >> I bring it up because I wonder if the concept could be informative for the >> goal of creating a Friendly AI? In this way OpenCog's system of balancing >> attachment and experience could also be linked with broader compassion. >> Possibly in the implication links, while disassociating happiness with >> "put_arm_around_girlfriend" >> and adding an implication that happiness for girlfriend includes separation >> from Bob. That possibly hints at way of formulating ethics for A.I. >> >> -Chris >> >> >> From: Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> >> To: AGI <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 1:24 AM >> Subject: [agi] Toward enlightened AGIs >> >> For your general amusement, here is a blog post I rote on >> >> "The dynamics of attachment and non-attachment in human and AGI minds": >> >> http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.hk/2013/05/the-dynamics-of-attachment-and-non.html >> >> :) >> ben >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20347893-f72b365c >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
