My impression is that the TM2 did *start* to have an impression on minds here – though almost nothing can remove Ben et al’s mental straitjacket – because you can begin to SEE what I am talking about.
That’s why the TM paper was so great – you could SEE how it worked – you weren’t just dealing with abstract maths. So let’s show you visually the difference between a TM/algo machine and a TM2 creative machine from the outside – in terms of what they DO. You guys and the whole of science in fact are basically mechanics – you think about how the machine/car works – you don’t look at the big picture of what it’s supposed to do and how and where you can drive the car. You take all that for granted – when, for AGI, that’s the starting-point. Here’s a picture of a TM/algo: http://www6.pcmag.com/media/images/248747-tug-s-whiskers.jpg it’s basically a journeyrobot that follows a ROUTE MAP. Like a hospital robot. A machine that has a route map which tells it exactly how to get through its maze, and in effect shows it the whole maze before it starts: .http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O8hv9dAmGoI/Tt8dIBrUN9I/AAAAAAAAAL0/2IuWDRlEUC0/s1600/maze%2B%25281%2529.gif A TM is a machine that moves along precharted lines through precharted territory. Like, also, a warehouse robot Ihttp://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/robots_03_04/r25_14061299.jpg Nice work if you can get it – but there’s one limitation – a TM/algo robot can’t go anywhere else but that hospital/warehouse, that one charted territory and along those charted lines.It can’t go out and into the wide world It can’t go anywhere uncharted. Now here’s a very different TM2 – a true AGI - http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/robots_03_04/r18_0170-006.jpg it’s an EXPLORER robot – only not the present telecontrolled limited reality – but what an explorer robot should be – a machine designed to explore foreign territory like a foreign planet – WITHOUT A ROUTE MAP- WITHOUT humans directing it.. The opposite of a Tm/ALGO. So don’t see it so much as exploring Mars – because the Mars landscape is relatively open and easy to see. Think of an explorer that can explore a jungle http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&biw=1644&bih=748&tbm=isch&tbnid=M6xPtj5iOUp6MM:&imgrefurl=http://www.wallpaperdev.com/wallpaper/1024x768/new-african-animals-you-are-viewing-the-jungle-scenes-named-palms-it-has-205911-28819.html&docid=sCDBtV7ZlR67UM&imgurl=http://wallpaperdev.com/stock/new-african-animals-you-are-viewing-the-jungle-scenes-named-palms-it-has-205911.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=4MqQUeiaPJHu0gXFyYGYCg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:12,s:0,i:185 WITHOUT being able to see the whole jungle before it starts Or that can explore – and clean up - the “jungle” of a new room: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lBXQVHyQ1VA/S7FXEN2icBI/AAAAAAAAAEY/CqTTaIsyFuA/s1600/messy-room-03.jpg Or explore the jungle of the internet: https://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=jungle&oq=jungle&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.1830.2652.0.4007.6.5.0.1.1.0.97.359.5.5.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.ttVPw8hO1x4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.d2k&fp=40f391f6da3e1fea&biw=1644&bih=748 (Mars is actually also a jungle but of a less obvious kind) This is a machine that can truly explore a new territory independently – move along uncharted lines through uncharted territory WITHOUT a route map. The complete opposite of a TM/algo that can only go where it’s told to go. A machine that can endlessly explore new fields without having to be given a step-by-step itinerary – a machine like you and every other living creature – would be kinda useful. Now if you try the algo/route map approach to AGI – to building a robot that by definition doesn’t and can’t have a route map – guess what’s going to happen?. Your machine isn’t going to go anywhere. And that’s the insanity of present AGI . It’s doing the complete opposite of what it should be doing. Oh but wait a minute – Turing is God, and God said “Thou shalt not and cannot go anywhere without having a route map beforehand.” Er, sorry about this, but God’s wrong. You don’t have to have a route map to go places and explore the world. In fact, you can’t have a route map for unmapped, uncharted territory. It’s a physical and computational impossibility. (It helps to look at not just how machines work but what they do – from the outside as well as the inside).. w AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
