Maybe I should have said, The Bears are to Chicagoas the ________are to Foxboro (New England). A metaphor is based on a similarity of abstraction(s). A metaphor does not have to be visual. A metaphor is intended to provide some information (such as a partial explanation) about the target object. The problem with text-based AI as it stands today is that most explanation cannot be conveyed by text except for some special (and usually specially designed) classes of kinds of information. An AGI program would have to be capable of greater 'understanding' then contemporary AI programs. To suggest that an advanced text-based AGI program would not be workable because concepts have to be conveyed by the way of image-based metaphors is to completely misunderstand the problem as it stands today. That is part of the reason I tried to explain some of the characteristics that would be necessary for AGI. Now I just made a statement:"To suggest that an advanced text-based AGI program would not be workable because concepts have to be conveyed by the way of image-based metaphors is to completely misunderstand the problem as it stands today. I need to provide some reason or explanation of why I believe that. I started to do that when I explained that contemporary AI programs cannot 'understand' text very well. But is that a problem due to the heavy use of visual metaphors, or do you think that there are other problems. I think that the problem of getting AI to 'understand' is a problem that has permeated all the various kinds of AI paradigms. To believe that visualization would solve the problem of 'understanding' text is something that has been tried and it hasn't worked much better than other means. So I just do not think that visual Input is necessary for AGI, that the core problem -as it stands today- is an abstract programming problem that requires IO (but not necessarily multi-modal sensory systems, visual systems, so on.)jim Bromer From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] What a TM1 and a TM2 look like from the outside Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:11:11 -0400
In reference to my summary (where I said I was going to create a text-based AGI program) Andi did say that metaphors were the reason text would be inadequate or something like, that but he did not actually take the next step to provide a reason to backup or explain this. A metaphor is a form of reasoning by similarity. The term 'analogous reasoning', might suggest a more abstract form of reasoning by similarity. I believe that certain IQ tests use analogous knowledge to test if the person has integrated similar cultural knowledge appropriately. The Bears are to Chicago As the ________ are to Boston. A lamb is to a sheep As a ___ is to a tiger. A metaphor then might originally be an example of purposeful analogy. For example, "That lamb pounced on me like a tiger ___" So for a fresh metaphor to be understandable it probably has a reason for its use. Of course, archaic metaphors, like the past tense of the verb 'go' are mostly lost to people who aren't familiar with old English texts. Jim Bromer > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:52:50 -0400 > Subject: RE: [agi] What a TM1 and a TM2 look like from the outside > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Jim Bromer threw a stone at Mike: > > What is your IQ Mike? > > What's your IQ, Jim? > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
