PM, On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote:
> So there are multiple aspects to religious worldview as compared to > materialist worldview; > among them, > > 1) causality ascription > 2) trust models > 3) social rules > > What is the implication of an AGI proclaiming that it is a believer of a > particular religion? > IMHO it all gets down to what emerges in discussions, as a TRUE believer sees many things from a different POV. > Would people trust an AGI that claims it believes? > ... and displays in its discussions that it believes - probably YES, at least until it does something that is inconsistent with such a belief. As we have seen throughout history, almost any incredible bad deed can be justified by almost any religious POV, e.g. Pope Urban launching the Crusades, or Mohammad killing the men of Medina, and selling their wives and children into slavery. > Would people trust a parrot who claims > it believes? > No, because it is unable to demonstrate its belief through discussion. However, a signing chimpanzee should be able to demonstrate. > Is religious belief only the province of humans, or does it extend to > animals and > artificial beings? > I don't see anything that is particularly human. On another thread several years ago, I pointed out that an AGI would most likely become a religious zealot, because religions provide entire mechanisms for explaining many things that lack competing explanations. Steve > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:39:45 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Jim and Piaget, > > Religion provides a simplified model of the effects of other people > believing that you believe that if you do bad, that God will get you. > Hence, they have a reason to trust you that goes beyond simple > cause-and-effect. Of course you can violate that trust, but then God DOES > get you in subtle ways, as the people around you now distrust you while > trusting others, so your efforts fare poorly. > > In a generally religious setting, those who don't go along with it do > poorly, not because of overt discrimination, but rather because you are not > trusted as others are trusted. > > The Koran is an interesting read. Mohammad was obviously an astute social > engineer, and even provided advice to non-believers, e.g. to keep heretical > activities locked behind your front door. > > Steve > ====== > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > > You do not need a religion to build a simple causal model of the world. > However, a well thought out materialistic causal model would lead to > unanswerable complexities. And if a causal model interferes with the > creation of non-causal relations then the model is going to be only of > limited use unless it was always being changed a little. > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Piaget Modeler > <[email protected]>wrote: > > Religion may be an efficient paradigm for an AGI to use in navigating the > world. > > Ascribing causal events to an imperceptible deity may be an efficient > mechanism > for devising a simple and coherent model of the world, given volumes of > somato- > sensory data and its derivable conceptual implications. -- Thot of the > day. > > ~PM > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > -- > Jim Bromer > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
