PM, On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote:
> It'll probably be safer then to create AGIs which are athiest, theist, and > agnostic, > rather than any single point of view. This can be done by exposing them to > certain > viewpoints more than others, akin to living in a community / family. > Of course you are making presumptions regarding the operation of an AGI. Their operation might be VERY different than anything we can now imagine. Steve > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:10:29 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > PM, > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Piaget Modeler > <[email protected]>wrote: > > So there are multiple aspects to religious worldview as compared to > materialist worldview; > among them, > > 1) causality ascription > 2) trust models > 3) social rules > > What is the implication of an AGI proclaiming that it is a believer of a > particular religion? > > > IMHO it all gets down to what emerges in discussions, as a TRUE believer > sees many things from a different POV. > > > Would people trust an AGI that claims it believes? > > > ... and displays in its discussions that it believes - probably YES, at > least until it does something that is inconsistent with such a belief. As > we have seen throughout history, almost any incredible bad deed can be > justified by almost any religious POV, e.g. Pope Urban launching the > Crusades, or Mohammad killing the men of Medina, and selling their wives > and children into slavery. > > > Would people trust a parrot who claims > it believes? > > > No, because it is unable to demonstrate its belief through discussion. > However, a signing chimpanzee should be able to demonstrate. > > > Is religious belief only the province of humans, or does it extend to > animals and > artificial beings? > > > I don't see anything that is particularly human. > > On another thread several years ago, I pointed out that an AGI would most > likely become a religious zealot, because religions provide entire > mechanisms for explaining many things that lack competing explanations. > > Steve > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:39:45 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Jim and Piaget, > > Religion provides a simplified model of the effects of other people > believing that you believe that if you do bad, that God will get you. > Hence, they have a reason to trust you that goes beyond simple > cause-and-effect. Of course you can violate that trust, but then God DOES > get you in subtle ways, as the people around you now distrust you while > trusting others, so your efforts fare poorly. > > In a generally religious setting, those who don't go along with it do > poorly, not because of overt discrimination, but rather because you are not > trusted as others are trusted. > > The Koran is an interesting read. Mohammad was obviously an astute social > engineer, and even provided advice to non-believers, e.g. to keep heretical > activities locked behind your front door. > > Steve > ====== > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > > You do not need a religion to build a simple causal model of the world. > However, a well thought out materialistic causal model would lead to > unanswerable complexities. And if a causal model interferes with the > creation of non-causal relations then the model is going to be only of > limited use unless it was always being changed a little. > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Piaget Modeler > <[email protected]>wrote: > > Religion may be an efficient paradigm for an AGI to use in navigating the > world. > > Ascribing causal events to an imperceptible deity may be an efficient > mechanism > for devising a simple and coherent model of the world, given volumes of > somato- > sensory data and its derivable conceptual implications. -- Thot of the > day. > > ~PM > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > -- > Jim Bromer > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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