There are systems, metasystems, multisystems undergoing continuous change through time. Some systems will decay and collapse. Potentially we are headed towards a larger socioeconomic/financial collapse so is AGI going to come before, during, or after. Perhaps in the preppers handbook a personal AGI assistant will be necessary for a Road Warrior like competitive survival scenario. Then the question is how many Watts does it require to run so you can spec out an off-the-grid power generator. Can AGI ever really be off-the-grid? Perhaps if it has a nuclear power source. AGI could/would create a new grid. It could fully comprehend old systems and potentially rewrite/recreate new systems. Only prob it might relegate us as biological waste byproducts unnecessary for its competitive survival. Unless as you say it more adapts to its surroundings yet is AGI really being evolved here... or are we being evolved for it.
John -----Original Message----- From: just camel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:16 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Practical Applications for AGI Evolution is about adaptation and not about competition. Darwin stated it many times and just because Dawkins writes about selfish genes does not make it a truth. Today we are living in a world of absolute abundance and there is no reason to maintain a fear, ego and competition driven framework. Our competitive monetary system and neoliberal capitalism induce a culture of fear, ego and competition because they require artificial scarcity in order to be able to maintain markets. We are not competitive by nature and we actually never competed over abundant stuff like we do today. Yes, we never were that stupid before. There are many books about how we de-evolved from cooperation to competition and also studies about our most fundamental traits. See https://libcom.org/library/debt-first-5000-years-david-graeber for example or http://sacred-economics.com/read-online/ or http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals ... Capitalism is based on fear, ego and competition and is thus de-evolutionary. It's one big fallacy that capitalism drives innovation. Just because innovation happens within capitalism does not mean capitalism is good for innovation. In fact asymmetries of knowledge, patents, redundancy in terms of R&D, intellectual property, etc., etc., do hinder innovation. We are already seeing 1930 repeating itself. Just read the news. The system forces people into unnecessary and systemic anxiety and poverty, people become susceptible to all sorts of propaganda and everything is about to collapses again. Most people still believe that we need economic growth, that austerity is necessary and that unemployment is a bad thing in a world of abundance. As long as the majority is stuck within those belief traps nothing will change. In "A Cosmist Manifesto" Ben wrote. "Once the need for humans and other advanced intelligences to labor for sustenance is eliminated, what will be left for minds to do is precisely to create and appreciate art." Unfortunately for this to become a reality our socioeconomic framework needs to collapse or we will need a spontaneous improvement in mass spirituality/consciousness allowing us to overcome this insanity in a productive way or some benevolent AGI system? On 03/18/2014 03:16 PM, Aaron Hosford wrote: > For any system to work, it must acknowledge that no matter how much we > dislike the fact, these drives are irrevocably part of our nature, and > find a way to appropriately respond to that fact. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
