About organizing thousands of programmers... my plan regarding OpenCog would be do it much as Linux has done.... I.e. once OpenCog has achieved sufficient functionality, it should attract a variety of different resources ... volunteers, university students, people within big companies, etc. ..... Linus Torvalds and the Linux kernel team do not employ or control all these people. They each contribute for their own motivations...
Acquisition of data could be done via many different means, of course.... Sucking in text and data and images from the Internet is not difficult. Cost for servers is not our rate limiting factor; many big companies would offer a large number of servers for OpenCog use if asked (and there have been offers). Our rate limiting factor is working out design details and implementing, debugging and testing them. OpenCog powered apps running in smartphones, wearable devices or robots would also be viable. This is not really the hard part either... -- Ben On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > *How do you plan to organize thousands of software developers? * > > The future won't need thousands of software developers. If anything, > programming is flawed in that its an algorithm and most people fail to > think of algorithms when they are expressed as functions in a written > language that is static... the programmers are all doomed as soon as > someone smart enough actually integrates genetic and other optimization > techniques into a compiler like base-system that expresses the flows of > event data correctly... > > *How do you plan to collect petabytes of human knowledge?* > > I'm calling it going it SyNet. SyNet is a collaborative effort to create a > new Web separable from the previous Web layer (Web 2.0) that is computable > by machines. Put that together with the "Internet of Things" concept and > everything becomes obvious. Every human of the future will be turned into a > collective knowledge system supporting an underlying unified data source. > Network awareness will make traditional advertising obsolete. Thus > completely destroying the old Web. > > *How do you plan to acquire the computing power?* > > From the billions that will be rolling in from having the world's brain. > For the old Web stay relevant, a lot of proprietary systems need access to > each other's APIs, and history has shown large technology companies tend to > protect their own patch. They will largely disintegrate into the lesser Web > as as SyNet make everything more coherent and usability goes way up. > > ~The Barack Obama of AGI > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The goal with OpenCog is not to outdo CNNs or statistical MT on the >> > particular problems for which they were developed. The goal is to >> > address general intelligence... >> >> I realize that AGI should be able to do everything that the human >> brain can do. I should be able to ask OpenCog to translate text to >> another language, recognize faces in pictures, drive a car, or play >> Jeopardy, and it would do it. I just wonder how you are addressing the >> enormous computational resources (hardware, software, and training >> data) needed to solve these problems. Certainly it must be a lot >> harder to solve all of these problems at once than focus on just one. >> >> The obvious application of AGI is automating human labor. The ROI over >> 15 years of world GDP should be about $1 quadrillion. I find it >> curious that companies investing heavily in AI like Google, Facebook, >> and IBM won't even invest $1 million in OpenCog. Are they really >> setting odds of success at a billion to one against? >> >> I realize there is a synergy effect in AGI. We do not just recognize >> words or faces in isolation. We use context from all of our senses. So >> it would seem justified to claim that we won't see any signs of >> progress until all of the parts are finished. Then everything will >> just work. >> >> But regardless of whether I buy the argument, those with money don't >> seem to. Surely there must be some way to indicate progress. The last >> published experimental results or demo I am aware of is the 2009 >> virtual puppy video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-qdubNsx0 >> >> The puppy video shows a synergy effect of combining a simple 3-D >> virtual world, a simple (presumably rule based) language model, and a >> simple 13 component model of physiological and emotional state. So it >> would presumably be possible to periodically run system wide tests and >> measure progress of a synergistic system. Are you doing this? What >> results can you show to investors? >> >> How do you plan to scale up the problem from one CPU to millions of >> CPUs? I recall some tests on distributed AtomSpace that showed severe >> performance problems. How do you plan to organize thousands of >> software developers? How do you plan to collect petabytes of human >> knowledge? How do you plan to acquire the computing power? Or do you >> claim that solving all of the problems at once is easier than solving >> one narrow-AI problem like Google translate or Watson? The last time I >> checked, OpenCog is an (unfinished) Linux download I can run on a PC. >> >> -- >> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10514698-9a8cda1e >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. James T. 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