There are many systematic differences btw child and adult brains actually, e.g.
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000158 http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/5237.aspx and many many other studies... ben On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting Ben, so how children's brain different from an adult's brain > again? From what I've read, most of the brain changes that have been > observed in teenagers are part of a continuum of changes that happen > throughout our lives. However, by creating a separate culture through our > educational system, marketing and entertainment (MTV, teen movies/TV, > etc.), and now with technology where children are literally in their own > digital worlds as well as imposing endless rules and restrictions, we have > created children out of small adults. If you look at non-western cultures > where children are more integrated with adults and treated as such you > don't see such poor decision making and emotional "teen" angst. > > So basically to for the child AGI to get to adult level practical problem > solving ability it would need maybe 3 hours on a slow internet connection? > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> A child's process of learning is basically the same as an adult's, sure. >> But there's a reason child IQ tests are different than adult IQ tests. >> Occasional prodigies aside, even a very smart child is not as good at >> real-world problem solving as an adult, yet... >> >> To be a "real AGI", an AGI system needs to have the core of commonsense >> understanding that is shared by human children and adults. But it does not >> need to have the level of general practical problem-solving ability of a >> human adult. Rather, I suspect early-stage AGIs may couple "core >> commonsense understanding" (as human children and adults both have) with >> specialized capabilities in particular domains... and then gradually move >> toward general human adult level practical problem solving ability.... And >> then once it gets to human adult level overall, it will already be way >> superhuman in certain speciaty areas.... And then it will learn computer >> science and reprogram itself and we may see something like a hard takeoff >> at that point... >> >> This isn't an inevitable path but IMO it's a very likely one... >> >> ben >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Human-like general intelligence of a child? What exactly does that >>> mean? The process by which children turn experience into knowledge is >>> exactly the same, point for point, as the process by which those whom we >>> call scientist make scientific knowledge. Children observe, they wonder, >>> they speculate, and they ask themselves questions. They up possible >>> answers, they make theories, they hypothesize, and then they test theories >>> by asking questions or by further observations or experiments or reading. >>> Then they modify the theories as needed, or reject them, and the process >>> continues. This is what in "grown-up" life is called the: Scientific Method. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think there will be a gradual evolution from early-stage AGIs (that >>>> have, very roughly speaking, the human-like general intelligence of a >>>> child + specialized computational capability in certain domains), to >>>> advanced AGIs that can reprogram their code and autonomously have huge >>>> impact on the world.... >>>> >>>> Historically speaking, if this evolution takes 5-10 years it could >>>> still be continued "virtually instant.'" But from our perspective as >>>> humans, 5-10 years of this sort of "Semi-hard takeoff" could involve a >>>> lot of interesting dynamics >>>> >>>> -- Ben >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, just camel <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Do you really believe that any AGI system would care to create >>>> revenues for >>>> > Google? You might end up being as disappointed as cockroaches are >>>> with us >>>> > for not hanging out with them behind the refrigerator? >>>> > >>>> > Apparently you expect there to be a reasonably long timespan between >>>> > arriving at true AGI and AGI developing consciousness/spirituality? >>>> Can you >>>> > explain your train of though? How is the AGI supposed to solve our >>>> problems >>>> > (in a general way) while at the same time being incapable of >>>> reasoning about >>>> > what it is doing? That sounds very AI to me. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 03/23/2014 11:37 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> The obvious application of AGI is automating human labor. The ROI >>>> over >>>> >> 15 years of world GDP should be about $1 quadrillion. I find it >>>> >> curious that companies investing heavily in AI like Google, Facebook, >>>> >> and IBM won't even invest $1 million in OpenCog. 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