Thanks for the links Ben, but those articles don't really support your case. A child's brain is LESS efficient than an adult brain? Is that it? Really? As we get older synapses get pruned and long-distance axonal tracts get more heavily insulated with myelin. Umm, okay. I believe that is called learning. Where are the many systematic differences? I bet a 35 y/ old has a more efficient brain than a 18 y/o. So lets call the 18 y/o old some made up name.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are many systematic differences btw child and adult brains actually, > e.g. > > > http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000158 > > http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/5237.aspx > > and many many other studies... > > ben > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Interesting Ben, so how children's brain different from an adult's brain >> again? From what I've read, most of the brain changes that have been >> observed in teenagers are part of a continuum of changes that happen >> throughout our lives. However, by creating a separate culture through our >> educational system, marketing and entertainment (MTV, teen movies/TV, >> etc.), and now with technology where children are literally in their own >> digital worlds as well as imposing endless rules and restrictions, we have >> created children out of small adults. If you look at non-western cultures >> where children are more integrated with adults and treated as such you >> don't see such poor decision making and emotional "teen" angst. >> >> So basically to for the child AGI to get to adult level practical problem >> solving ability it would need maybe 3 hours on a slow internet connection? >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> A child's process of learning is basically the same as an adult's, >>> sure. But there's a reason child IQ tests are different than adult IQ >>> tests. Occasional prodigies aside, even a very smart child is not as good >>> at real-world problem solving as an adult, yet... >>> >>> To be a "real AGI", an AGI system needs to have the core of commonsense >>> understanding that is shared by human children and adults. But it does not >>> need to have the level of general practical problem-solving ability of a >>> human adult. Rather, I suspect early-stage AGIs may couple "core >>> commonsense understanding" (as human children and adults both have) with >>> specialized capabilities in particular domains... and then gradually move >>> toward general human adult level practical problem solving ability.... And >>> then once it gets to human adult level overall, it will already be way >>> superhuman in certain speciaty areas.... And then it will learn computer >>> science and reprogram itself and we may see something like a hard takeoff >>> at that point... >>> >>> This isn't an inevitable path but IMO it's a very likely one... >>> >>> ben >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Human-like general intelligence of a child? What exactly does that >>>> mean? The process by which children turn experience into knowledge is >>>> exactly the same, point for point, as the process by which those whom we >>>> call scientist make scientific knowledge. Children observe, they wonder, >>>> they speculate, and they ask themselves questions. They up possible >>>> answers, they make theories, they hypothesize, and then they test theories >>>> by asking questions or by further observations or experiments or reading. >>>> Then they modify the theories as needed, or reject them, and the process >>>> continues. This is what in "grown-up" life is called the: Scientific >>>> Method. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think there will be a gradual evolution from early-stage AGIs (that >>>>> have, very roughly speaking, the human-like general intelligence of a >>>>> child + specialized computational capability in certain domains), to >>>>> advanced AGIs that can reprogram their code and autonomously have huge >>>>> impact on the world.... >>>>> >>>>> Historically speaking, if this evolution takes 5-10 years it could >>>>> still be continued "virtually instant.'" But from our perspective as >>>>> humans, 5-10 years of this sort of "Semi-hard takeoff" could involve a >>>>> lot of interesting dynamics >>>>> >>>>> -- Ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, just camel <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Do you really believe that any AGI system would care to create >>>>> revenues for >>>>> > Google? You might end up being as disappointed as cockroaches are >>>>> with us >>>>> > for not hanging out with them behind the refrigerator? >>>>> > >>>>> > Apparently you expect there to be a reasonably long timespan between >>>>> > arriving at true AGI and AGI developing consciousness/spirituality? >>>>> Can you >>>>> > explain your train of though? How is the AGI supposed to solve our >>>>> problems >>>>> > (in a general way) while at the same time being incapable of >>>>> reasoning about >>>>> > what it is doing? That sounds very AI to me. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 03/23/2014 11:37 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The obvious application of AGI is automating human labor. The ROI >>>>> over >>>>> >> 15 years of world GDP should be about $1 quadrillion. I find it >>>>> >> curious that companies investing heavily in AI like Google, >>>>> Facebook, >>>>> >> and IBM won't even invest $1 million in OpenCog. 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