Interesting Ben, so how children's brain different from an adult's brain again? From what I've read, most of the brain changes that have been observed in teenagers are part of a continuum of changes that happen throughout our lives. However, by creating a separate culture through our educational system, marketing and entertainment (MTV, teen movies/TV, etc.), and now with technology where children are literally in their own digital worlds as well as imposing endless rules and restrictions, we have created children out of small adults. If you look at non-western cultures where children are more integrated with adults and treated as such you don't see such poor decision making and emotional "teen" angst.
So basically to for the child AGI to get to adult level practical problem solving ability it would need maybe 3 hours on a slow internet connection? On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > A child's process of learning is basically the same as an adult's, sure. > But there's a reason child IQ tests are different than adult IQ tests. > Occasional prodigies aside, even a very smart child is not as good at > real-world problem solving as an adult, yet... > > To be a "real AGI", an AGI system needs to have the core of commonsense > understanding that is shared by human children and adults. But it does not > need to have the level of general practical problem-solving ability of a > human adult. Rather, I suspect early-stage AGIs may couple "core > commonsense understanding" (as human children and adults both have) with > specialized capabilities in particular domains... and then gradually move > toward general human adult level practical problem solving ability.... And > then once it gets to human adult level overall, it will already be way > superhuman in certain speciaty areas.... And then it will learn computer > science and reprogram itself and we may see something like a hard takeoff > at that point... > > This isn't an inevitable path but IMO it's a very likely one... > > ben > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Human-like general intelligence of a child? What exactly does that mean? >> The process by which children turn experience into knowledge is exactly the >> same, point for point, as the process by which those whom we call scientist >> make scientific knowledge. Children observe, they wonder, they speculate, >> and they ask themselves questions. They up possible answers, they make >> theories, they hypothesize, and then they test theories by asking questions >> or by further observations or experiments or reading. Then they modify the >> theories as needed, or reject them, and the process continues. This is what >> in "grown-up" life is called the: Scientific Method. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think there will be a gradual evolution from early-stage AGIs (that >>> have, very roughly speaking, the human-like general intelligence of a >>> child + specialized computational capability in certain domains), to >>> advanced AGIs that can reprogram their code and autonomously have huge >>> impact on the world.... >>> >>> Historically speaking, if this evolution takes 5-10 years it could >>> still be continued "virtually instant.'" But from our perspective as >>> humans, 5-10 years of this sort of "Semi-hard takeoff" could involve a >>> lot of interesting dynamics >>> >>> -- Ben >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, just camel <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Do you really believe that any AGI system would care to create >>> revenues for >>> > Google? You might end up being as disappointed as cockroaches are with >>> us >>> > for not hanging out with them behind the refrigerator? >>> > >>> > Apparently you expect there to be a reasonably long timespan between >>> > arriving at true AGI and AGI developing consciousness/spirituality? >>> Can you >>> > explain your train of though? How is the AGI supposed to solve our >>> problems >>> > (in a general way) while at the same time being incapable of reasoning >>> about >>> > what it is doing? That sounds very AI to me. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 03/23/2014 11:37 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The obvious application of AGI is automating human labor. The ROI over >>> >> 15 years of world GDP should be about $1 quadrillion. I find it >>> >> curious that companies investing heavily in AI like Google, Facebook, >>> >> and IBM won't even invest $1 million in OpenCog. Are they really >>> >> setting odds of success at a billion to one against? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------- >>> > AGI >>> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> > RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 >>> > Modify Your Subscription: >>> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >>> James T. 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