> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Tyler via AGI [mailto:[email protected]]
> 
> On 31/12/2014 22:16, Matt Mahoney via AGI wrote:
> 
> > But if ethical beliefs were more than opinions, then there would be no
> > controversy over abortion, animal rights, immigration, gay rights,
> > women's rights, the death penalty, euthanasia, and so on. We could
> > just do experiments to see which side was right.
> 
> Nature is performing that sort of experiment all the time.
> The losing moral systems go extinct.
> 

That's right it's a systems thing. It's better for human systems, even if 
p-consciousness is just an illusion (to some people), that I'm not allowed to 
cut my neighbors head off because I don't like him. Often the thinking is that 
the human mind is separate and above nature, at a higher level. Otherwise the 
meat mechanics take over.

Perhaps that's how it worked. The superiorly intelligent p-conscious people 
killed off the non or lower p-consciousness people and there are still a few 
left over.

Or p-consciousness is a hopeful illusion and uploading will bring us into the 
real deal.

Since when does an illusion become reality anyway? Everything is an illusion, 
the mind constructs our view of reality the real universe isn’t this perty is 
it? That would make beauty an illusion too.

John




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