Logan, Herding cats and AGI developers is SUCH a difficult task. It seems that most here would rather speculate on what the future might hold, rather than turn out something in the next year that would be worth a LOT of money to fund their speculations into actual projects.
No, my project is NOT the be-all and end-all of AI/AGI, but it IS simple enough to take a big bite from the Internet with an acceptable level of *PAID* effort, and good enough to do better than the things you suggested!!! Continuing... On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the incremental approach makes more sense. > If this is true, then describe it, patent it, own it, and get your own project funded and going. > Once you've proven yourself with smaller projects, it makes sense to go > for bigger ones. > I suggest reading the 8788263 <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263> patent. Here, once you have done the basic pieces, like Legos, they can be assembled in a variety of ways to make different products, e.g. expert web sites, better advertising engines, sales lead generators, etc. > > If we are talking about millions of dollars.. > The only projects I can think of that justify that are reversible circuit > micro processors. > You seem to have your head stuck in a VERY small box. > > Otherwise for software stuff, I think the goal is really on getting mass > collaboration of effort. > Here is the "little" detail about the real world they didn't tell you in school: To practice the "scientific method" in hyper-complex domains like medicine, it is necessary to first read pretty much EVERYTHING ever written in a particular sub-domain, then develop a hypothesis that is not inconsistent with anything you have read, and finally to address new problems from the POV of that hypothesis. This is RARELY done, and adding the noise of thousands of contributors who haven't done this does NOT make for more than a hyper-mediocre product. A human-engineered knowledge base following this approach will handily outperform ANY automated approach using Wikipedia, etc. > Like has been mentioned creating a complete AGI capable of taking over the > job of any given human, would require likely trillions of dollars in man > hours. > Correct, but that isn't the topic of our discussion - just the textual analysis method and its application as described in the 8788263 <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263> patent. > However in opensource libreware people like to do stuff for "free" or for > themselves but also to share, so emphasizing this software commons, a > collaborative version is I think one way we can achieve that kind of > project. > A project the whole of humanity can participate in > ... but which no one will fund. > > Thought even that has incremental scaling points, > translation software, voting software, collaborative forums, collaborative > source code. > not sure how crowd funding would do it, but I guess it would help. > So there you are. Everything on your list is already on the Internet, and some of it (like Yahoo's polling software on its forums, on which I put up a site *EdgewoodWA* for a local politician just a few weeks ago, so she could poll her constituency regarding specific issues) has already made money for Yahoo, et al. However, I have something newer and apparently much more valuable - if you will just take the time to read the 8788263 <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263> patent and see where this is going. Steve ================================ > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Don't you think "take over the internet" is a bit much? >> >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I have been learning a LOT while looking for funding - which suggests we >> > should all rethink our respective directions. >> > >> > The Jobs 2012 act made it possible to crowdfund projects not exceeding >> $10M >> > without going through the whole SEC public offering hassle. Then along >> came >> > sites like Kickstarter with their own visions for the future which does >> NOT >> > include larger visions like those shared here. However, there are places >> > like EquityNet in which larger ideas appear fundable, provided they >> don't >> > bump up against $10M. >> > >> > When you look at ENTIRE projects including marketing, patent defense, >> etc., >> > rather than just getting to a demo, $10M is really tight no matter what >> you >> > are doing, especially if it involves any R&D. My own project to take >> over >> > the Internet projected $10M when everything foreseeable was added in. >> > >> > So, I had an idea for an end-around where many of us here could get >> rich - >> > and be well paid as we get rich. Further, this will provide a stepping >> > stone to even bigger things - maybe even an eventual AGI. Chop my >> project >> > up into the separately marketable pieces needed to make the system to >> take >> > over the Internet, and construct them in separately funded corporations >> > under a single umbrella. This way, each startup would be going into this >> > with guaranteed customers, etc. The separate startups would include: >> > >> > 1. The core parsing and recognition technology >> > 2. A smart web crawler that also gathers contact information, etc. >> > 3. An idiom database with a few thousand common idioms and equivalent >> > straightforward text >> > 4. A medical database ala DrEliza only greatly extended >> > 5. An AI marketing organization >> > 6. An Internet sales organization >> > 7. etc. >> > >> > Note that these pieces can be combined in various ways to make several >> > strong products, e.g. NO ONE is going to write good code to understand >> text >> > without the idiom database - and nothing like it now exists. >> > You can see the publicly-disclosed parts of the plan by reading the >> patent >> > at: >> > >> > http://www.google.com/patents/US >> <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263> >> <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263>8788263 >> <http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263> >> > >> > Also, there are other subsequent applications now in the "mill". >> > >> > To make this work for you, we would work together to create a >> crowdfundable >> > entity that you would be in charge of, to actually get paid well to do >> the >> > work on the part of this project that you choose. These would be >> presented >> > together as a package, but each would also have a marketing plan to >> survive >> > and thrive outside of the package. This way, you would start with a >> salary >> > and customers waiting, rather than building something for nothing, in >> the >> > hope that customers will come, and further, there would have patent >> > protection for at least some parts of these projects. >> > >> > Once you get your part up and running, you will have both money and >> > credibility to build your own projects, rather than pieces of something >> > else. >> > >> > Any interest in leading the charge to develop one of these pieces? >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> > Modify Your Subscription: >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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