Mike, On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The patent looks fine. I wasn't trying to ridicule you. I have grand > plans myself. We all do. We've all got delusions of grandeur on some > scale. Otherwise we'd be better off with narrow AI. I've tried to > quit what I am working on for something a bit more practical but I > always return. I can't help myself. > What has been missing here is a flow of not-so-weak AI projects to bring in money and hone our skills while we contemplate bigger things. As things now stand, people here must choose between grunt programming jobs and unemployment as they pursue their dreams, and I find this simply UNACCEPTABLE. > > The statement of taking over the internet, though... I mean, google, > yes, has done that, but their market cap is waaaaaaaay up there. There are three known lenses through which to view the knowledge of our civilization: 1. Searching: Google will probably always own this. 2. Question answering: WolframAlpha seems to now own this, but Google has started to put limited question recognition and answering into its interface. 3. Problem solving: THIS is what I seek to own - and have the patent(s) to defend. While each of these are the best solution for the needs they meet, problem solving has a special thing going for it - it makes the perfect automated salesman, whereas the other technologies can only throw advertisements at people, and... Whoever owns sales/advertising will own the Internet. Of course when this becomes BIG enough, someone like Google will probably we willing to throw enough money at it to purchase it, so in a sense you are probably right that Google will probably prevail on the Internet, but only after the people who built it have extracted some part of a billion dollars - which will hopefully be enough to build even more interesting things. Steve ======================= > > On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > Just read the patent: > > > > http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263 > > > > and make up your own mind. There is much more that has been filed but has > > NOT yet been granted. I did NOT say that this is any sort of ultimate > plan, > > just a LOT better than Google/Facebook/Yahoo/Amazon, etc., especially at > > identifying and approaching apparent potential customers (they call this > > "advertising" but I have a much better method) - which is where the money > > seems to be. > > > > I have a plan. Now I need people behind the various parts of it. With > those > > people in place I can probably raise the money via EquityNet or something > > similar to make this real. With the money and the plan, we will all get > > paid and become rich and be able to work on REAL AGI and other > interesting > > things. > > > > Steve > > ========================== > > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Mike, > >> > > >> > Oh, I see, you are one of those AGI dualists - who think that > computers > >> > can't do much until they are fully AGI, despite the "weak" AI > >> > approaches > >> > that are now making billions of dollars. If you think about it, with > >> > that > >> > attitude you are absolutely GUARANTEED not to be in on any big > >> revolutions, > >> > because you will sit out anything short of AGI, and lack relevant > >> > credentials if/when a true AGI opportunity arises. > >> > > >> > Jumping from counting clicks and tallying bags of words to actually > >> > understanding (initially, enough to identify which of hundreds of > >> > interesting meanings were conveyed) what has been said along with > >> > having > >> a > >> > good technical and financial plan to capitalize on this capability > >> > might > >> > not seem like much to an AGI dualist, but I am sticking with my 4-word > >> > description, unless of course you have a better ~4 word description of > >> > where this could eventually lead. > >> > > >> > >> Huh? You said you were planning to "take over the internet." Wha? I > >> have not read your posts in detail, although I've got some of the > >> picture of what you are doing. I'm not of the opinion that full blown > >> human-level AGI is the single successful route. How did you infer > >> that? I'm just wondering if you were serious about "taking over the > >> internet." That is patently grandiose claim, as any fair minded > >> person would tell you. It sounds like the Evil Dr. Such-and-such in > >> an old Ian Fleming book, you know, he is on a desert island preparing > >> to take over the world. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > Steve > >> > =================== > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Don't you think "take over the internet" is a bit much? > >> >> > >> >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Hi all, > >> >> > > >> >> > I have been learning a LOT while looking for funding - which > >> >> > suggests > >> >> > we > >> >> > should all rethink our respective directions. > >> >> > > >> >> > The Jobs 2012 act made it possible to crowdfund projects not > >> >> > exceeding > >> >> $10M > >> >> > without going through the whole SEC public offering hassle. Then > >> >> > along > >> >> came > >> >> > sites like Kickstarter with their own visions for the future which > >> does > >> >> NOT > >> >> > include larger visions like those shared here. However, there are > >> >> > places > >> >> > like EquityNet in which larger ideas appear fundable, provided they > >> >> > don't > >> >> > bump up against $10M. > >> >> > > >> >> > When you look at ENTIRE projects including marketing, patent > >> >> > defense, > >> >> etc., > >> >> > rather than just getting to a demo, $10M is really tight no matter > >> what > >> >> you > >> >> > are doing, especially if it involves any R&D. My own project to > take > >> >> > over > >> >> > the Internet projected $10M when everything foreseeable was added > >> >> > in. > >> >> > > >> >> > So, I had an idea for an end-around where many of us here could get > >> >> > rich > >> >> - > >> >> > and be well paid as we get rich. Further, this will provide a > >> >> > stepping > >> >> > stone to even bigger things - maybe even an eventual AGI. Chop my > >> >> > project > >> >> > up into the separately marketable pieces needed to make the system > >> >> > to > >> >> take > >> >> > over the Internet, and construct them in separately funded > >> corporations > >> >> > under a single umbrella. This way, each startup would be going into > >> >> > this > >> >> > with guaranteed customers, etc. The separate startups would > include: > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. The core parsing and recognition technology > >> >> > 2. A smart web crawler that also gathers contact information, > >> >> > etc. > >> >> > 3. An idiom database with a few thousand common idioms and > >> >> > equivalent > >> >> > straightforward text > >> >> > 4. A medical database ala DrEliza only greatly extended > >> >> > 5. An AI marketing organization > >> >> > 6. An Internet sales organization > >> >> > 7. etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > Note that these pieces can be combined in various ways to make > >> >> > several > >> >> > strong products, e.g. NO ONE is going to write good code to > >> >> > understand > >> >> text > >> >> > without the idiom database - and nothing like it now exists. > >> >> > You can see the publicly-disclosed parts of the plan by reading the > >> >> patent > >> >> > at: > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263 > >> >> > > >> >> > Also, there are other subsequent applications now in the "mill". > >> >> > > >> >> > To make this work for you, we would work together to create a > >> >> crowdfundable > >> >> > entity that you would be in charge of, to actually get paid well to > >> >> > do > >> >> the > >> >> > work on the part of this project that you choose. These would be > >> >> presented > >> >> > together as a package, but each would also have a marketing plan to > >> >> survive > >> >> > and thrive outside of the package. This way, you would start with a > >> >> salary > >> >> > and customers waiting, rather than building something for nothing, > >> >> > in > >> >> > the > >> >> > hope that customers will come, and further, there would have patent > >> >> > protection for at least some parts of these projects. > >> >> > > >> >> > Once you get your part up and running, you will have both money and > >> >> > credibility to build your own projects, rather than pieces of > >> something > >> >> > else. > >> >> > > >> >> > Any interest in leading the charge to develop one of these pieces? > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------------------- > >> >> > AGI > >> >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> >> > RSS Feed: > >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > >> >> > Modify Your Subscription: > >> >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------- > >> >> AGI > >> >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> >> RSS Feed: > >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac > >> >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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