Steve - Keep your dream alive. No company owns the world forever. Not Google, not Apple. New gunslingers come to town all the time. Coutney
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Mike, > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The patent looks fine. I wasn't trying to ridicule you. I have grand >> plans myself. We all do. We've all got delusions of grandeur on some >> scale. Otherwise we'd be better off with narrow AI. I've tried to >> quit what I am working on for something a bit more practical but I >> always return. I can't help myself. > > What has been missing here is a flow of not-so-weak AI projects to bring in > money and hone our skills while we contemplate bigger things. As things now > stand, people here must choose between grunt programming jobs and > unemployment as they pursue their dreams, and I find this simply > UNACCEPTABLE. >> >> The statement of taking over the internet, though... I mean, google, >> yes, has done that, but their market cap is waaaaaaaay up there. > > There are three known lenses through which to view the knowledge of our > civilization: > 1. Searching: Google will probably always own this. > 2. Question answering: WolframAlpha seems to now own this, but Google has > started to put limited question recognition and answering into its interface. > 3. Problem solving: THIS is what I seek to own - and have the patent(s) to > defend. > > While each of these are the best solution for the needs they meet, problem > solving has a special thing going for it - it makes the perfect automated > salesman, whereas the other technologies can only throw advertisements at > people, and... > > Whoever owns sales/advertising will own the Internet. > > Of course when this becomes BIG enough, someone like Google will probably we > willing to throw enough money at it to purchase it, so in a sense you are > probably right that Google will probably prevail on the Internet, but only > after the people who built it have extracted some part of a billion dollars - > which will hopefully be enough to build even more interesting things. > > Steve > ======================= >> >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Mike, >> > >> > Just read the patent: >> > >> > http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263 >> > >> > and make up your own mind. There is much more that has been filed but has >> > NOT yet been granted. I did NOT say that this is any sort of ultimate plan, >> > just a LOT better than Google/Facebook/Yahoo/Amazon, etc., especially at >> > identifying and approaching apparent potential customers (they call this >> > "advertising" but I have a much better method) - which is where the money >> > seems to be. >> > >> > I have a plan. Now I need people behind the various parts of it. With those >> > people in place I can probably raise the money via EquityNet or something >> > similar to make this real. With the money and the plan, we will all get >> > paid and become rich and be able to work on REAL AGI and other interesting >> > things. >> > >> > Steve >> > ========================== >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> >> > >> >> > Oh, I see, you are one of those AGI dualists - who think that computers >> >> > can't do much until they are fully AGI, despite the "weak" AI >> >> > approaches >> >> > that are now making billions of dollars. If you think about it, with >> >> > that >> >> > attitude you are absolutely GUARANTEED not to be in on any big >> >> revolutions, >> >> > because you will sit out anything short of AGI, and lack relevant >> >> > credentials if/when a true AGI opportunity arises. >> >> > >> >> > Jumping from counting clicks and tallying bags of words to actually >> >> > understanding (initially, enough to identify which of hundreds of >> >> > interesting meanings were conveyed) what has been said along with >> >> > having >> >> a >> >> > good technical and financial plan to capitalize on this capability >> >> > might >> >> > not seem like much to an AGI dualist, but I am sticking with my 4-word >> >> > description, unless of course you have a better ~4 word description of >> >> > where this could eventually lead. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Huh? You said you were planning to "take over the internet." Wha? I >> >> have not read your posts in detail, although I've got some of the >> >> picture of what you are doing. I'm not of the opinion that full blown >> >> human-level AGI is the single successful route. How did you infer >> >> that? I'm just wondering if you were serious about "taking over the >> >> internet." That is patently grandiose claim, as any fair minded >> >> person would tell you. It sounds like the Evil Dr. Such-and-such in >> >> an old Ian Fleming book, you know, he is on a desert island preparing >> >> to take over the world. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> > Steve >> >> > =================== >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Don't you think "take over the internet" is a bit much? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/28/15, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Hi all, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I have been learning a LOT while looking for funding - which >> >> >> > suggests >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > should all rethink our respective directions. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Jobs 2012 act made it possible to crowdfund projects not >> >> >> > exceeding >> >> >> $10M >> >> >> > without going through the whole SEC public offering hassle. Then >> >> >> > along >> >> >> came >> >> >> > sites like Kickstarter with their own visions for the future which >> >> does >> >> >> NOT >> >> >> > include larger visions like those shared here. However, there are >> >> >> > places >> >> >> > like EquityNet in which larger ideas appear fundable, provided they >> >> >> > don't >> >> >> > bump up against $10M. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > When you look at ENTIRE projects including marketing, patent >> >> >> > defense, >> >> >> etc., >> >> >> > rather than just getting to a demo, $10M is really tight no matter >> >> what >> >> >> you >> >> >> > are doing, especially if it involves any R&D. My own project to take >> >> >> > over >> >> >> > the Internet projected $10M when everything foreseeable was added >> >> >> > in. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So, I had an idea for an end-around where many of us here could get >> >> >> > rich >> >> >> - >> >> >> > and be well paid as we get rich. Further, this will provide a >> >> >> > stepping >> >> >> > stone to even bigger things - maybe even an eventual AGI. Chop my >> >> >> > project >> >> >> > up into the separately marketable pieces needed to make the system >> >> >> > to >> >> >> take >> >> >> > over the Internet, and construct them in separately funded >> >> corporations >> >> >> > under a single umbrella. This way, each startup would be going into >> >> >> > this >> >> >> > with guaranteed customers, etc. The separate startups would include: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. The core parsing and recognition technology >> >> >> > 2. A smart web crawler that also gathers contact information, >> >> >> > etc. >> >> >> > 3. An idiom database with a few thousand common idioms and >> >> >> > equivalent >> >> >> > straightforward text >> >> >> > 4. A medical database ala DrEliza only greatly extended >> >> >> > 5. An AI marketing organization >> >> >> > 6. An Internet sales organization >> >> >> > 7. etc. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Note that these pieces can be combined in various ways to make >> >> >> > several >> >> >> > strong products, e.g. NO ONE is going to write good code to >> >> >> > understand >> >> >> text >> >> >> > without the idiom database - and nothing like it now exists. >> >> >> > You can see the publicly-disclosed parts of the plan by reading the >> >> >> patent >> >> >> > at: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Also, there are other subsequent applications now in the "mill". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > To make this work for you, we would work together to create a >> >> >> crowdfundable >> >> >> > entity that you would be in charge of, to actually get paid well to >> >> >> > do >> >> >> the >> >> >> > work on the part of this project that you choose. These would be >> >> >> presented >> >> >> > together as a package, but each would also have a marketing plan to >> >> >> survive >> >> >> > and thrive outside of the package. This way, you would start with a >> >> >> salary >> >> >> > and customers waiting, rather than building something for nothing, >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > hope that customers will come, and further, there would have patent >> >> >> > protection for at least some parts of these projects. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Once you get your part up and running, you will have both money and >> >> >> > credibility to build your own projects, rather than pieces of >> >> something >> >> >> > else. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Any interest in leading the charge to develop one of these pieces? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Steve >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > AGI >> >> >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> >> >> > RSS Feed: >> >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> >> >> > Modify Your Subscription: >> >> >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> >> >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> >> AGI >> >> >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> >> >> RSS Feed: >> >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac >> >> >> Modify Your Subscription: >> >> >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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