OK, so what we seem to need is a clear statement of how an alternative FUNCTIONAL economy might work, and a blueprint of how to morph from here to there without the population starving halfway through the process.
I envision a sort of split economy, where everyone is guaranteed a low level of support, e.g. a place to pitch their tent, nutritious food, Internet access, etc. However, if they want more, like a nice home and a new car, they can supplement their VERY basic income by working, innovating, etc. In short, socialism at the bottom, and capitalism at the top. The 1% effect could easily be fixed with a small wealth tax on all assets not otherwise taxed - stocks, bonds, savings, etc., akin to zakat, so that non-productive wealth would eventually be redistributed. What do YOU see as a desirable achievable future. *Steve* ============== On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > All the people you mentioned stand for the same broken monetary system, > cancerous "growth" and 2-3 billion #bullshitjobs which are destroying us > and our planet. > > It's quite interesting how people talk about differences between Clinton > and Trump when there basically are none on a fundamental level ... > > Also, implementing a #basicincome within the current broken monetary > system is stupid. The system will collapse anyway and you'll just hear a > lot of "Our economy collapses because of communist ideas such as the > #basicincome!!!" propaganda ... which is not helping the idea at all. As > long as people don't question the way we create money as interest-bearing > debt and as long as people don't understand that "growth" and "more jobs" > are the last things we need, there will be no politician to talk about > those things ... > > > On 12.03.2016 05:38, Logan Streondj wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I'm just happy I don't live in US of A. >> >> I like my cold low density Canada, >> w00t w00t Trudeau w00t w00t >> Leader of the future. >> >> Basic income, legal MJ nation wide, >> actually talking to advisors and people, >> gender and ethnically diverse cabinet. >> >> It's like Canadian banks and Credit Unions, >> just everyone loves them, they are so helpful and kind. >> >> Everyone is polite and friendly, (in small cities anyways), >> smiles, hellos and how are you's everywhere you go, >> and not just "have a good day" but "have a great day"! >> >> If you're different, that's just cause for bigger smiles, >> cause it's always wonderful to see something new and different, >> with diversity is strength in our collage of culture. >> >> Like it's just so marvelous and great, >> profound joy swimming in plethora of goodness. >> >> Though I dono maybe it's all the meditation. >> *shrugs* >> >> I guess Trump is like the antithesis of Trudeau, >> with whoever wins, Bernie, Clinton or Trump, >> I don't see it making much difference. >> All of them will wage wars overseas, >> all of them will support Israel, >> even Trump as it's a "strategic ally", >> so to me I don't really care. >> >> Not that I have anything against Israel, >> though some governments aren't supporting them, >> due to Palestine conflicts and such. >> >> Only difference might be internal, >> Trump will give tax breaks to the rich, >> tell the poor they are lazy, >> and the working class will have fewer jobs, >> because even if he deports all the human tomato pickers, >> they will simply be replaced by robots. >> And he wouldn't stand in the way of corporate profit. >> >> Bernie might make it marginally more live able for the poor, >> Clinton is a wild card, but as a women she is more likely to integrate >> opinions of others into her decisions, so America might have some >> genuine growth and renewal, though of what kind depends on her advisors. >> >> On 03/11/2016 10:33 PM, Alan Grimes wrote: >> >>> EdFromNH . wrote: >>> >>>> Humanity currently IS quite stupid and self destructive. >>>> (Witness Trump's current popularity as a candidate for the most >>>> important job in the world, based on little more than a barrage >>>> of empty, impossible to fulfill promises). And it is not clear >>>> humanity is capable of dealing with the powers that >>>> superintelligence can create. But the superintelligence genie is >>>> not going to be put back in the bottle. There is too much money >>>> and power to be had by developing and using it. So let us at >>>> least try to increase the number of intelligent humans and >>>> institutions that understand the danger better, so humanity an at >>>> least have a chance of surviving it for several more generations >>>> to come. >>>> >>> Look, u are not going to get Bernie Sanders because the political >>> establishment has rigged all the voting machines to switch the >>> votes to Hillary, whom most people want gone. =\ >>> >>> I require one and only one task from Trump, to break the >>> stranglehold of the political establishment on our electoral >>> process. Everything else is gravy. I voted for him in the primaries >>> and I hope to vote for him again in November. >>> >>> - -- Logan Streondj, >> A dream of Gaia's future. >> http://joyfullifestyle.ca >> >> You can use encrypted email with me, >> how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ >> key fingerprint: >> BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJW451ZAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycpoqQP/jtr4I269RIvvTFdgliPRi94 >> mAxPDWovgOt+u+CvmQ8/GexaBBh9p7+Q/e9FttPmoISzjcnZix1gqvcw4heHRSxD >> 8KwBiVSi6WMUOT601yBPVuzuZ40kFYPrDa+XGH82iPQ8ffj6233yx+3OviB0S3se >> vkbKw0Ph/67W/rfydL87CPJWNzuJ27wTM3iYMp+9fqPAnr+RTozxhS7UbdY55C9Q >> HrX0at7mDMYMZSWxrNivI+9snHPK4hzSCdgWUNKy07qb4iQBsdH9feesGVMCYiha >> SZTwj2JYMwt1lTU3pDRhBma2gkznxXtLeDYUEDaiD6m+hd1mM46BBKjkv3ix0XCm >> UMjtw6lzOVRnZ3Pcn5mHt5bGP+8ct5i107eC3DBwqTESFiI4c9viy6wlPIK4a2uB >> s5wqQgMCe6Lp+6tfMWdFu1vkwOlZJzimomSFLVMjuMIezSJKqzNv72a67CigFbS/ >> YaXy6ZZ6P0iB2FycknkMeCEP8fYqcefEK2Ma00INFo4tDxgnMW2S8VAJtT9BX21p >> f5V5GwqKU7hmwdq8gmyh3ajeIiZj+iku+6FeHOXxD0sRRoNnv6QLCmmZ6A6ddS8I >> Tc6VAAEvRQvu6jLy7uYemzvpOeyF8mfkS/HKvoBZNybaDTdrD0sGLznM0HeFFwLF >> lQwqF9U7568LFSaSZ0RY >> =harH >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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