What we actually need is to reach the point where we create more ressources than we collectively spend, in a renewable fashion. The rest is futilities.
Simon Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:09:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [agi] Humans for Transparency in Artificial Intelligence From: [email protected] To: [email protected] OK, so what we seem to need is a clear statement of how an alternative FUNCTIONAL economy might work, and a blueprint of how to morph from here to there without the population starving halfway through the process. I envision a sort of split economy, where everyone is guaranteed a low level of support, e.g. a place to pitch their tent, nutritious food, Internet access, etc. However, if they want more, like a nice home and a new car, they can supplement their VERY basic income by working, innovating, etc. In short, socialism at the bottom, and capitalism at the top. The 1% effect could easily be fixed with a small wealth tax on all assets not otherwise taxed - stocks, bonds, savings, etc., akin to zakat, so that non-productive wealth would eventually be redistributed. What do YOU see as a desirable achievable future. Steve ============== On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: All the people you mentioned stand for the same broken monetary system, cancerous "growth" and 2-3 billion #bullshitjobs which are destroying us and our planet. It's quite interesting how people talk about differences between Clinton and Trump when there basically are none on a fundamental level ... Also, implementing a #basicincome within the current broken monetary system is stupid. The system will collapse anyway and you'll just hear a lot of "Our economy collapses because of communist ideas such as the #basicincome!!!" propaganda ... which is not helping the idea at all. As long as people don't question the way we create money as interest-bearing debt and as long as people don't understand that "growth" and "more jobs" are the last things we need, there will be no politician to talk about those things ... On 12.03.2016 05:38, Logan Streondj wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm just happy I don't live in US of A. I like my cold low density Canada, w00t w00t Trudeau w00t w00t Leader of the future. Basic income, legal MJ nation wide, actually talking to advisors and people, gender and ethnically diverse cabinet. It's like Canadian banks and Credit Unions, just everyone loves them, they are so helpful and kind. Everyone is polite and friendly, (in small cities anyways), smiles, hellos and how are you's everywhere you go, and not just "have a good day" but "have a great day"! If you're different, that's just cause for bigger smiles, cause it's always wonderful to see something new and different, with diversity is strength in our collage of culture. Like it's just so marvelous and great, profound joy swimming in plethora of goodness. Though I dono maybe it's all the meditation. *shrugs* I guess Trump is like the antithesis of Trudeau, with whoever wins, Bernie, Clinton or Trump, I don't see it making much difference. All of them will wage wars overseas, all of them will support Israel, even Trump as it's a "strategic ally", so to me I don't really care. Not that I have anything against Israel, though some governments aren't supporting them, due to Palestine conflicts and such. Only difference might be internal, Trump will give tax breaks to the rich, tell the poor they are lazy, and the working class will have fewer jobs, because even if he deports all the human tomato pickers, they will simply be replaced by robots. And he wouldn't stand in the way of corporate profit. Bernie might make it marginally more live able for the poor, Clinton is a wild card, but as a women she is more likely to integrate opinions of others into her decisions, so America might have some genuine growth and renewal, though of what kind depends on her advisors. On 03/11/2016 10:33 PM, Alan Grimes wrote: EdFromNH . wrote: Humanity currently IS quite stupid and self destructive. (Witness Trump's current popularity as a candidate for the most important job in the world, based on little more than a barrage of empty, impossible to fulfill promises). And it is not clear humanity is capable of dealing with the powers that superintelligence can create. But the superintelligence genie is not going to be put back in the bottle. There is too much money and power to be had by developing and using it. So let us at least try to increase the number of intelligent humans and institutions that understand the danger better, so humanity an at least have a chance of surviving it for several more generations to come. Look, u are not going to get Bernie Sanders because the political establishment has rigged all the voting machines to switch the votes to Hillary, whom most people want gone. =\ I require one and only one task from Trump, to break the stranglehold of the political establishment on our electoral process. Everything else is gravy. I voted for him in the primaries and I hope to vote for him again in November. - -- Logan Streondj, A dream of Gaia's future. http://joyfullifestyle.ca You can use encrypted email with me, how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ key fingerprint: BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJW451ZAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycpoqQP/jtr4I269RIvvTFdgliPRi94 mAxPDWovgOt+u+CvmQ8/GexaBBh9p7+Q/e9FttPmoISzjcnZix1gqvcw4heHRSxD 8KwBiVSi6WMUOT601yBPVuzuZ40kFYPrDa+XGH82iPQ8ffj6233yx+3OviB0S3se vkbKw0Ph/67W/rfydL87CPJWNzuJ27wTM3iYMp+9fqPAnr+RTozxhS7UbdY55C9Q HrX0at7mDMYMZSWxrNivI+9snHPK4hzSCdgWUNKy07qb4iQBsdH9feesGVMCYiha SZTwj2JYMwt1lTU3pDRhBma2gkznxXtLeDYUEDaiD6m+hd1mM46BBKjkv3ix0XCm UMjtw6lzOVRnZ3Pcn5mHt5bGP+8ct5i107eC3DBwqTESFiI4c9viy6wlPIK4a2uB s5wqQgMCe6Lp+6tfMWdFu1vkwOlZJzimomSFLVMjuMIezSJKqzNv72a67CigFbS/ YaXy6ZZ6P0iB2FycknkMeCEP8fYqcefEK2Ma00INFo4tDxgnMW2S8VAJtT9BX21p f5V5GwqKU7hmwdq8gmyh3ajeIiZj+iku+6FeHOXxD0sRRoNnv6QLCmmZ6A6ddS8I Tc6VAAEvRQvu6jLy7uYemzvpOeyF8mfkS/HKvoBZNybaDTdrD0sGLznM0HeFFwLF lQwqF9U7568LFSaSZ0RY =harH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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